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College May Not Be Worth It Anymore

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Student loan interest rates should be tied to the major. Engineering major? $0 down, 3.5% interest rate. Art History major? 25% down, 15% interest rate.

Why not just progressive taxation? Don't predicate the rate on a hypothetical earning... Base it on actual earnings.

The interest rate is acting as a market signal to pursue majors/professions that would lead to higher actual earnings.

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The NYTimes republishes a variant of this articles almost every month https://www.google.com/search?q=site:nytimes.com+college+wor... The usual answer is "it depends"

Which is probably a good thing, since it will slowly beat into the minds of upper-levels at corps and recruiters that a College Degree shouldn't be the minimum bar applicants need to reach, and maybe some of these companies will start removing the "has degree" band reject filter.

I don’t have a degree and have never run in to an issue with that fact. Came up once in an interview about 20 years ago for a very early job, and that’s the last I’ve heard of it.

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It's simple, try and get the best education you can for as cheap as possible. I have not read the article, so forgive me if they state it there, but a large contributor to the problem of "must go to college" are employers. It's amazing to me that software is the only industry that accepts people for what they can do and have done whereas other industries require explicit requirements. Yes, training can be expensive,…

This is because software development is one of the few industries where you can learn the craft without putting lives at risk. For example, there is a huge step from playing with Lego to building a load (and life) bearing bridge. For some industries, self directed learning is completely inaccessible. Medicine is a good example (you also really wouldn't want to hire based in practical tests for that one, too).

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Every modern society needs it's signaling mechanic, otherwise it becomes virtually impossible for people to want to take risks, eliminating all ladder access for the underprivileged. Signals only work if they're hard to fake. The expense of a college degree in both time and dollars perversely increases its utility as a signal. Of course, the price of a degree can only go so high before before people are unwilling to…

Instead of cost being the authenticator of the signal academic performance \ intelligence could be like it is in some european countries wherw college is low cost but admitance is based on high school performance.

Secondary education performance is often a function of time/money invested as well.

Re: College May Not Be Worth It Anymore

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The NYTimes republishes a variant of this articles almost every month https://www.google.com/search?q=site:nytimes.com+college+wor... The usual answer is "it depends"

To what extent is it still news. It's not just this topic, it's a whole range of subjects. e.g. the same articles are written and rewritten on housing all the time. And the notion I get sent an article by a friend, see it on FB, twitter, a debate, the paper itself and the half dozen that will cover it by referring to the article in an opinion piece, doesn't help. I'm finding it increasingly more difficult to get mean…

To be fair, this is from the opinion section. It's not news. Most of the articles you are talking about are probably opinion pieces as well.

I do think they should do more to differentiate between news and opinion pieces.

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Most people blog to have a blog and don't realize their insights aren't useful. So you're advice is not useful since telling dumb people not to do dumb things is a waste of time, they're too dumb to know what they're doing is a waste of time or doesn't have any useful insights. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, you being so smart and all.

Do they think they are being useful? From twitter posts, it seems like they know their crap is the same as everyone else, but they want the Adsense money. Idk, twitter Personal Finance is a cesspool of shitty adsense/amazon affiliate filled blogs.

Some blogs are clickbait simply to capture clicks, or maybe the blog is to pad out somebodys resume and the content may as well be lorem ipsum boilerplate becasue nobody is ever going to read it anyway, but having a blog is better than not having a blog (most of the time). IF you have even ONE good article to show somebody then they tend to assume that your entire blog will have around that level of quality. So is wanting Adsense money stupid? No. Even if all the stuff is low quality then it may as well be MY low quality blog that gets all the his amirite? Thats what they're probably trying to do. IDK there are really too many reasons to enumerate...

> twitter Personal Finance is a cesspool of shitty adsense/amazon affiliate filled blogs

Why are you reading it then?

Re: College May Not Be Worth It Anymore

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The NYTimes republishes a variant of this articles almost every month https://www.google.com/search?q=site:nytimes.com+college+wor... The usual answer is "it depends"

I swear to God I am fed up seeing articles like these come out every month. The Truth is, employers will always want people with degrees. If you can start your own gig, without any degree, then it's up to you.

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Every modern society needs it's signaling mechanic, otherwise it becomes virtually impossible for people to want to take risks, eliminating all ladder access for the underprivileged. Signals only work if they're hard to fake. The expense of a college degree in both time and dollars perversely increases its utility as a signal. Of course, the price of a degree can only go so high before before people are unwilling to…

Instead of cost being the authenticator of the signal academic performance \ intelligence could be like it is in some european countries wherw college is low cost but admitance is based on high school performance.

I like that option, but barring an order of magnitude more public investment in higher education, I can't see it happening. We're stuck with the school system we have, it seems.

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Employers are generally looking for a proxy for iq, since testing iq directly has potential legal problems. SAT, ASVAB, grades, degree attainment are often just proxies for iq. I think if Congress passes a law explicitly allowing iq tests for all job applications we'll see many of these seemingly irrational job requirements fade away.

This isn't true at all. IQ is much less important than work ethic and attitude at many/most jobs.

So why then does the US military place people according to the ASVAB?

Re: College May Not Be Worth It Anymore

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The tax increases you would need to sustain a system like that would be absolutely devastating. Also, college degrees would mean a lot less if they're free- devaluing them for people who actually paid for them

Our current Student Loan Debts ARE absolutely devastating. If you knew that an applicant had a Full Ride Merit Scholarship to a good degree program, it would "mean less" to you? Can you explain that a little bit better?

Yeah? Wait until you find out how much harder it is to be in the corporate world after age 40.

Graduate: Say age 22. You have ~20 years to make most of what you're going to make.

I'm not saying it's impossible to work after 40, not at all. I'm just trying to tell anyone who will listen that is is harder and even with full employment in tech, it is still hard to make the kinds of moves I made in my 30s, reinvent myself, and generally do the cool things I want to do.

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