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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by csydas »

viraptor wrote: post #58
ikeboy wrote: post #43

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps. It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self…

YouTube already includes comments and a chat on live streams, so close to a messaging app ;-) Seriously though, YouTube is not a music service, or at least it looks like they don't want it to be, since the interface isn't really great for that case. It also kills phone battery if you use it that way, so YouTube music is an experience upgrade.

> so YouTube music is an experience upgrade.

Based on the press release, it doesn't seem so. It's basically just added a "music only" option, but otherwise it seems to just be a curated section of Youtube that only involves musical content. The same experience you get with vanilla Youtube seems to be applicable.

And looking at the pricing, you still get all the battery pitfalls baked into Youtube unless you buy premium.

Honestly, it feels more like an attempt to curate Youtube rather than developing a music app. Right now the top video content competes with the published Music content and likely just creates a really weird imbalance in the algorithm toppers.

Personally, I think they could have just handled this with some better organization within Youtube, but here we are with a new app.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by iforgotpassword »

birdman3131 wrote: post #17

What sells me on spotify is the ability to control it from any device. Listening on my phone while at my computer? Hit skip on my keyboard and the phone skips to the next track. Playing on my Dot? I can pause right from my phone. Ditto with volume control. I wanted to like amazon music but I could not because of the lack of these features.

Did you set this up manually? I'm not using Spotify but this sounds rather confusing. Is it at least smart enough to recognize when there's something else playing on your computer and send the skip command to that app instead of your phone if you hit the skip key?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by Already__Taken »

dexen wrote: post #77
tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

They are following in the footsteps of the movie industry, which also provides worse experience to the paying customer. Pay for movie theater ticket, get served 30+ minutes of ads. (edit) Pay for DVD, get unskippable "antipiracy ads". Torrent the movie, and you'll be watching the movie in under 3 minutes of download.

They keep trying to make it more like TV. Seemingly oblivious to the generation using it exclusively because it's not TV.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by pjc50 »

jypepin wrote: post #13

Normally when I see this kind of announcement, I think "It will take long before they learn and nail it like the main competition" - in this case Spotify. Spotify seems to be doing a great job curating new music or building playlist specifically for me according to what I listen to, and I can only assume it's 100% automated obviously. Google is so strong with ML today, and not stopping, I don't know what will allow s…

So what are they actually doing with all this ML, or is it just an effort to keep people with those skills from working for competition?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by pferdone »

dexen wrote: post #77
tokyodude wrote: post #61

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

They are following in the footsteps of the movie industry, which also provides worse experience to the paying customer. Pay for movie theater ticket, get served 30+ minutes of ads. (edit) Pay for DVD, get unskippable "antipiracy ads". Torrent the movie, and you'll be watching the movie in under 3 minutes of download.

I wouldn't call an IMAX setup a 'subpar experience'

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by pasbesoin »

ikeboy wrote: post #43

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps. It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self…

They're just trying to catch up with Chat... err, [ha, I was going to mention, but I can't even remember the name of the most recent revision of Google IM-thingee]

P.S. Sometimes, people break out the humor for good reason. I mean, really?

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by notatoad »

balls187 wrote: post #27
chrisper wrote: post #25

Let me guess. It's going to be US only again as always even though I pay for it... (like my GPM subscription price is not cheaper because parts of it are not available)

It's in the article. Starting Tuesday, we're rolling out the new YouTube Music experience in the U.S., Australia, New Zealand, Mexico and South Korea*. It will expand more broadly in the coming weeks. We’ll also soon be launching in Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

the youtube red announcement also said it was coming to canada "soon". given that they rebranded the whole service quicker than they could manage to expand to Canada, i don't have too much hope for youtube's definition of soon.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by weavie »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #92
birdman3131 wrote: post #17

What sells me on spotify is the ability to control it from any device. Listening on my phone while at my computer? Hit skip on my keyboard and the phone skips to the next track. Playing on my Dot? I can pause right from my phone. Ditto with volume control. I wanted to like amazon music but I could not because of the lack of these features.

Did you set this up manually? I'm not using Spotify but this sounds rather confusing. Is it at least smart enough to recognize when there's something else playing on your computer and send the skip command to that app instead of your phone if you hit the skip key?

It knows which device is currently playing. Anything you do sends it to the currently playing device. You can pull up a list of all connected devices and select which one you want to be playing. It then starts on the new device from where the old one left off.

It works really well. I have my raspberry pi plugged into my amplifier, and play through that. I control it with my phone or laptop, whichever is nearer.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by pasbesoin »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #90
ikeboy wrote: post #43

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps. It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self…

Well, they're in tough competition with the chat team. They still got some work to do to end up with at least as many music streaming services as google has messaging services/apps.

Saw your comment after my post. Exactly.

And I guess, given the context, two similar comments can be tolerated. ;-)

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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Post by pjmlp »

briandear wrote: post #65
pjmlp wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As usual, just a few privileged European countries. Looking forward for an EU wide law to force lazy US companies to either offer the service to everyone or not at all.

What is your “unprivileged” country? And just FYI, Apple Music is available there.

Portugal, definitely not part of the list.
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