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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#61
YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay.

Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up.

With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#62
post #43

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps. It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self…

Well we're at 4 or 4.5 now.

1. YouTube

1.5 YT Music (basically a music-oriented front-end to YouTube)

2. Google Play Music All-Access

3. YouTube Music Premium (from the article)

4. (or 3.5) VEVO

I particularly enjoyed this quote:

> The days of jumping back and forth between multiple music apps and YouTube are over.

As the above list shows, this is demonstrably false. Given that YouTube Red (or YouTube Premium as they'll soon be rebranding it as) is also part of this package, Google Play Music All-Access is beginning to resemble something of an AV-oriented Prime membership. Lots of benefits, not a lot of focus, but hey, maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#63
post #42

Why can't I cast a Youtube video's audio to chromecast audio? The only way is to share the whole screen which burns battery and causes skipping if your wifi isn't perfect.

Maybe there's more to it. The YT API also does not allow to present Video Streams (Audio/Video) separately.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#64
post #13

Normally when I see this kind of announcement, I think "It will take long before they learn and nail it like the main competition" - in this case Spotify. Spotify seems to be doing a great job curating new music or building playlist specifically for me according to what I listen to, and I can only assume it's 100% automated obviously. Google is so strong with ML today, and not stopping, I don't know what will allow s…

What you’re saying seems like it must be true... Google must be so strong at ML. How could it be otherwise? And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex. Amazon too... so much data, so many sma…

people with non-mainstream tastes are not statistically significant and in the age of ML optimization we can expect recommendations for them becoming even worse

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#65
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in the article. Starting Tuesday, we're rolling out the new YouTube Music experience in the U.S., Australia, New Zealand, Mexico and South Korea*. It will expand more broadly in the coming weeks. We’ll also soon be launching in Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

As usual, just a few privileged European countries. Looking forward for an EU wide law to force lazy US companies to either offer the service to everyone or not at all.

What is your “unprivileged” country?

And just FYI, Apple Music is available there.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#66
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in the article. Starting Tuesday, we're rolling out the new YouTube Music experience in the U.S., Australia, New Zealand, Mexico and South Korea*. It will expand more broadly in the coming weeks. We’ll also soon be launching in Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

As usual, just a few privileged European countries. Looking forward for an EU wide law to force lazy US companies to either offer the service to everyone or not at all.

They'll likely be doing a soft deployment so that they can catch any issues as the user-base scales up. Everyone expects everything immediately these days :(

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#67
post #62
post #43

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps. It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self…

Well we're at 4 or 4.5 now. 1. YouTube 1.5 YT Music (basically a music-oriented front-end to YouTube) 2. Google Play Music All-Access 3. YouTube Music Premium (from the article) 4. (or 3.5) VEVO I particularly enjoyed this quote: > The days of jumping back and forth between multiple music apps and YouTube are over. As the above list shows, this is demonstrably false. Given that YouTube Red (or YouTube Premium as they…

> maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier

Purely from a payment processing point of view, unless Google wants to fight Visa, MasterCard and other institutions this will never happen. There are a lot of restrictions around content and payment processors that you would assume is covered by freedom of speech that in a practical sense isn't.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#68
post #13

Normally when I see this kind of announcement, I think "It will take long before they learn and nail it like the main competition" - in this case Spotify. Spotify seems to be doing a great job curating new music or building playlist specifically for me according to what I listen to, and I can only assume it's 100% automated obviously. Google is so strong with ML today, and not stopping, I don't know what will allow s…

What you’re saying seems like it must be true... Google must be so strong at ML. How could it be otherwise? And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex. Amazon too... so much data, so many sma…

One of the many problems with machine learning, and using it for recommendations, is that it completely ignores how humans think and behave. Just because I watch a few videos of a certain type today, and actively seek them out, doesn't mean that I want to see similar videos again next week. Maybe I was just in the mood for that type of content today, tomorrow may be something completely different.

That being said, YouTubes recommendation algorithm is mostly garbage. I don't believe it has any insight into the actual content or quality of the videos it recommends.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#69
post #57
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because copyright holders don't allow you to. They want you to pay for music and not listen to it for free on YouTube. This is why any kind of videoless playback is disabled without Red subscription.

Chromecast audio for youtube doesn't work even if you pay for google music (includes youtube red). My theory is that it's too hard to get video/audio sync like that, so they don't allow it. Same for sending youtube audio to Sonos. Copyright holders still might be the reason though.

Yeah, YouTube Music does work though. Inability to listen to talks et al. via only audio is really annoying me too though.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#70
I reread this multiple times, and not getting it. ( As with pretty much all things google does, apart from its search engine )

So does it stop me from just watching Music Video for free on Youtube?

If not, then why would I subscribe?

Surely I must be missing something here.

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