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Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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post #70

I reread this multiple times, and not getting it. ( As with pretty much all things google does, apart from its search engine ) So does it stop me from just watching Music Video for free on Youtube? If not, then why would I subscribe? Surely I must be missing something here.

you can't play youtube videos _and_ run another app at the same time (background play) without paying.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#82
post #62

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Well we're at 4 or 4.5 now. 1. YouTube 1.5 YT Music (basically a music-oriented front-end to YouTube) 2. Google Play Music All-Access 3. YouTube Music Premium (from the article) 4. (or 3.5) VEVO I particularly enjoyed this quote: > The days of jumping back and forth between multiple music apps and YouTube are over. As the above list shows, this is demonstrably false. Given that YouTube Red (or YouTube Premium as they…

> maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier Purely from a payment processing point of view, unless Google wants to fight Visa, MasterCard and other institutions this will never happen. There are a lot of restrictions around content and payment processors that you would assume is covered by freedom of…

Freedom of speech does not cover corporations, I really don't get why that is still being brought up.

Credit card companies don't want to be held responsible if your CC payment is being used for the sexual exploitation of people. They don't want to be associated with revenge porn, etc. I'm sure there's a puritan reasoning in there too somewhere, but TBF I doubt that's the primary reason given how big the porn market would be for companies like that.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#84
post #77

YouTube is the only service I've used that gets WORSE if you pay. Without paying I can watch one video on my TV while browsing other videos on my laptop to queue up. With paying as soon as look up a video on my laptop I get an error on the tv "only one device allowed"

They are following in the footsteps of the movie industry, which also provides worse experience to the paying customer. Pay for movie theater ticket, get served 30+ minutes of ads. (edit) Pay for DVD, get unskippable "antipiracy ads". Torrent the movie, and you'll be watching the movie in under 3 minutes of download.

Almost instantly nowadays, because there are streaming torrent programs.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#85
post #13

Normally when I see this kind of announcement, I think "It will take long before they learn and nail it like the main competition" - in this case Spotify. Spotify seems to be doing a great job curating new music or building playlist specifically for me according to what I listen to, and I can only assume it's 100% automated obviously. Google is so strong with ML today, and not stopping, I don't know what will allow s…

What you’re saying seems like it must be true... Google must be so strong at ML. How could it be otherwise? And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex. Amazon too... so much data, so many sma…

Weirdly it seems to be because of scale - YouTube is just so big with such a high volume of videos, user data, and new videos, they can't yet run the ML algorithms they'd really want to over the whole corpus.

https://www.quora.com/How-does-YouTubes-recommendation-algor...

So meanwhile we get emotionally-stunted video recommendations from a savant toddler. It's really harmful.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#86
post #50

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It's in the article. Starting Tuesday, we're rolling out the new YouTube Music experience in the U.S., Australia, New Zealand, Mexico and South Korea*. It will expand more broadly in the coming weeks. We’ll also soon be launching in Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

As usual, just a few privileged European countries. Looking forward for an EU wide law to force lazy US companies to either offer the service to everyone or not at all.

We should introduce a EU wide everything before that can happen :) Like an official EU language.

Maybe we can mix some German and French together to create some kind of EUber language. Lets call it EUber.

J'heisse Hans Müller. Wilkommen-vous

Maybe add some Spanish and Ikea language as well.

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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What you’re saying seems like it must be true... Google must be so strong at ML. How could it be otherwise? And yet, YouTube recommendations are terrible lowest common denominator nonsense. It’s just “more of the same” for some surface level definition of “same”. There doesn’t seem to be any playfulness to the learning algorithm at all. No Bayesian experiments. There’s no flex. Amazon too... so much data, so many sma…

One of the many problems with machine learning, and using it for recommendations, is that it completely ignores how humans think and behave. Just because I watch a few videos of a certain type today, and actively seek them out, doesn't mean that I want to see similar videos again next week. Maybe I was just in the mood for that type of content today, tomorrow may be something completely different. That being said, Yo…

Right!

YouTube simply knows what you'll find tempting to watch by being just a bit more radical than you currently are, in a spiral.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/10/opinion/sunday/youtube-po...

Which is, indeed, garbage...

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maybe they'll buy up PornHub and add PornHub subscriptions to the stack whether you want it or not, just to make your recurring monthly payments a bit stickier Purely from a payment processing point of view, unless Google wants to fight Visa, MasterCard and other institutions this will never happen. There are a lot of restrictions around content and payment processors that you would assume is covered by freedom of…

Freedom of speech does not cover corporations, I really don't get why that is still being brought up. Credit card companies don't want to be held responsible if your CC payment is being used for the sexual exploitation of people. They don't want to be associated with revenge porn, etc. I'm sure there's a puritan reasoning in there too somewhere, but TBF I doubt that's the primary reason given how big the porn market…

I imagine that's a part of it but also the risk of chargeback is greater with adult content. People get buyers remorse at the exact moment you think they would and reverse the charge

Tried to start a site that wasn't for but did allow adult content and every payment processor closed their shutters on us

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

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post #81
post #70

I reread this multiple times, and not getting it. ( As with pretty much all things google does, apart from its search engine ) So does it stop me from just watching Music Video for free on Youtube? If not, then why would I subscribe? Surely I must be missing something here.

you can't play youtube videos _and_ run another app at the same time (background play) without paying.

... or using the strangely named "newpipe"

Re: YouTube Music, a new music streaming service, is coming soon

#90
post #43

>If you are a subscriber to Google Play Music, good news, you get a YouTube Music Premium membership as part of your subscription each month. Calling it now, within 5 years there are at least 5 different Google services for streaming music (up from 3 now, Play Music/Youtube/Youtube Music) at least 2 of which are also somehow messaging apps. It's even plausible, one for VR music videos, one for streaming in your self…

Well, they're in tough competition with the chat team. They still got some work to do to end up with at least as many music streaming services as google has messaging services/apps.
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