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Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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User adoption on Mastodon can be pretty big depending on the project. Look at the number of followers F-Droid has on Mastodon compared to Twitter. https://mastodon.technology/@fdroidorg https://twitter.com/fdroidorg

I think this is evidence of how much lower the bar is on Mastodon. 2k followers is insignificant on Twitter, irrespective of how few followers F-Droid has there.

Open Benches had "hundreds" of followers, so they're already way more insignificant than 2k followers on Masto.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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I love it how they have “automated systems that remove spam” that somehow remove innocent accounts like this one but completely fail to remove blatantly obvious spam. I don’t expect the system to be bulletproof and remove advanced spam rings, but when obvious spam is allowed to stay on the platform I’m wondering what the idiots at Twitter are really doing.

Hold on, I've reported multiple extraordinarily obvious spam rings before, with accounts as old as 2013, and I've even kicked up a stink here when Twitter employees show up, and I was told "bots don't violate the TOS." I just checked, it's still there https://mobile.twitter.com/ksfAKBARI check followers/following for a massive ring of obvious spam.

It took a lot of effort to get twitter to do something about the crypto spam accounts targeting elon musk. SO obvious yet none of their systems seemed to catch it.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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User adoption on Mastodon can be pretty big depending on the project. Look at the number of followers F-Droid has on Mastodon compared to Twitter. https://mastodon.technology/@fdroidorg https://twitter.com/fdroidorg

The twitter feed being a mirror also affects the numbers. Following a mirror account is less interesting. Just like how a mirror repo on GitHub is less interesting to star than a repo that has GitHub as its designated main location.

The F-Droid Twitter feed had existed for several years and was always tiny. It became a mirror instead once the Mastodon account got vastly more popular.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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There's a fair bit of criticism for relying too much on Twitter in this thread, but I think the article brings up a good point: >Yes, I know. We should redecentralize and put our content on Mastodon, or the BlockChain, or some other convoluted platform which has no users. But that’s just not practical for a small project. We have limited technical resources and have to go to where the people are. Despite there being…

I want to want to participate on Mastodon. But I feel like it's a bunch of little walled gardens and I feel like that's a barrier to entry for me. It's a bug, not a feature.

I also can't figure out where to start. I don't feel that way about Twitter.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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I used Mastodon for a while, and it was a pretty good experience. I guess I just found it wasn't my crowd; every other person with something interesting to say turned out to be a "demi-girl otherkin fur-friend," or something like that, and while I am happy for people to have a place to do their thing — exercise your liberty, fur-friend! — I came to feel a bit out of place. It seems like its strong secondary focus on…

That depends heavily on the instance you choose. There's much, much less of that on the instance I'm (mainly) on. And if they're saying interesting things, why do you care if they turn out to have a different lifestyle from yours? Pick a different instance and try again.

But that defeats the whole point. Yeah it's nice that you can have your sub-communities but the value of Twitter such as it is is that it;s the universal default microblogging platform in the English-speaking world. Almost everyone who is important in society is accessible via Twitter, just the way that having an email address is a universal default.

When someone is telling you that their experience of a product or service sucks, and you tell them to use it differently, you're failing to understand them.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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I used Mastodon for a while, and it was a pretty good experience. I guess I just found it wasn't my crowd; every other person with something interesting to say turned out to be a "demi-girl otherkin fur-friend," or something like that, and while I am happy for people to have a place to do their thing — exercise your liberty, fur-friend! — I came to feel a bit out of place. It seems like its strong secondary focus on…

That depends heavily on the instance you choose. There's much, much less of that on the instance I'm (mainly) on. And if they're saying interesting things, why do you care if they turn out to have a different lifestyle from yours? Pick a different instance and try again.

There would probably be instances that I would fit into better, but discoverability is also a problem. I also had a hard time figuring out how to make multiple instances visible at once in a single interface, either on mobile or desktop; I'm not sure if that's even supposed to be possible.

As far as why I care, it's because these interesting people very understandably want to talk about their lifestyle choices, and I don't really want to hear about it. (Just like how I'm okay with people smoking in their homes, but I find their smoke distasteful.) It made the signal-to-noise ratio for me a little too low for pleasure.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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There's a fair bit of criticism for relying too much on Twitter in this thread, but I think the article brings up a good point: >Yes, I know. We should redecentralize and put our content on Mastodon, or the BlockChain, or some other convoluted platform which has no users. But that’s just not practical for a small project. We have limited technical resources and have to go to where the people are. Despite there being…

I want to want to participate on Mastodon. But I feel like it's a bunch of little walled gardens and I feel like that's a barrier to entry for me. It's a bug, not a feature. I also can't figure out where to start. I don't feel that way about Twitter.

The gardens are interconnected, for the most part. That's the point.

And you can either join one or run your own.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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That depends heavily on the instance you choose. There's much, much less of that on the instance I'm (mainly) on. And if they're saying interesting things, why do you care if they turn out to have a different lifestyle from yours? Pick a different instance and try again.

But that defeats the whole point. Yeah it's nice that you can have your sub-communities but the value of Twitter such as it is is that it;s the universal default microblogging platform in the English-speaking world. Almost everyone who is important in society is accessible via Twitter, just the way that having an email address is a universal default. When someone is telling you that their experience of a product or s…

I'm not telling people they're using it wrongly, I'm saying that Mastodon has benefits that they may not (yet) have realised, and that it's not Twitter. This is why I say that using both is a perfectly reasonable option.

And Mastodon is not Twitter. Twitter does have some advantages over Mastodon, and if that's what you want or need, then great.

But if you want a quality audience, Mastodon might be a reasonable alternative, and criticising it for not being the same as Twitter, or using the same metrics that you use for Twitter, is misguided.

I'm not good at analogies - never have been - but let me try one. If someone tells me that their experience of using my car sucks and I point out that it's a stick-shift and not an automatic, that's not my failure to understand them, that's me providing information to try to help them get the most out of an alternative experience.

Choosing an instance that matches your interests is part of the federated/non-centralised experience. It's different, and for some, like me, there is value in that difference.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Firstly, there's no reason to choose only one and not the other. Tweeting on Twitter and tooting on Mastodon can be done with a single command once you've set it up. I'd've thought that was a no brainer. Secondly, I use Mastodon, and I'm on an instance with just over 1000 users. There are over 150K users on the main instance.

> Secondly, I use Mastodon, and I'm on an instance with just over 1000 users. There are over 150K users on the main instance. For most people I know and follow, that's like, the low bar of twitter follower counts.

With or without bots?
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