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Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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There's a fair bit of criticism for relying too much on Twitter in this thread, but I think the article brings up a good point: >Yes, I know. We should redecentralize and put our content on Mastodon, or the BlockChain, or some other convoluted platform which has no users. But that’s just not practical for a small project. We have limited technical resources and have to go to where the people are. Despite there being…

User adoption on Mastodon can be pretty big depending on the project. Look at the number of followers F-Droid has on Mastodon compared to Twitter. https://mastodon.technology/@fdroidorg https://twitter.com/fdroidorg

I imagine it also has to do with audience. F-Droid is a fairly technical project and more technical people may be fine with Mastodon... for a project that might not be oriented towards tech people I imagine it'd be more difficult to build a following there.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Seems like Twitter's 'automated systems' are to incrementally ban every account, for unspecified reasons, then re-instate those who figure out how to object.

(Of course, if this were a conscious strategy, they'd probably be better about not destroying following/follower state through a cycle.)

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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User adoption on Mastodon can be pretty big depending on the project. Look at the number of followers F-Droid has on Mastodon compared to Twitter. https://mastodon.technology/@fdroidorg https://twitter.com/fdroidorg

I know of absolutely no people that use Mastadon. There might be a niche somewhere that uses it, but I can’t help to think that it would hurt rather than help any hobby project to choose Mastadon over Twitter.

Firstly, there's no reason to choose only one and not the other. Tweeting on Twitter and tooting on Mastodon can be done with a single command once you've set it up. I'd've thought that was a no brainer.

Secondly, I use Mastodon, and I'm on an instance with just over 1000 users. There are over 150K users on the main instance.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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User adoption on Mastodon can be pretty big depending on the project. Look at the number of followers F-Droid has on Mastodon compared to Twitter. https://mastodon.technology/@fdroidorg https://twitter.com/fdroidorg

I know of absolutely no people that use Mastadon. There might be a niche somewhere that uses it, but I can’t help to think that it would hurt rather than help any hobby project to choose Mastadon over Twitter.

I used Mastodon for a while, and it was a pretty good experience. I guess I just found it wasn't my crowd; every other person with something interesting to say turned out to be a "demi-girl otherkin fur-friend," or something like that, and while I am happy for people to have a place to do their thing — exercise your liberty, fur-friend! — I came to feel a bit out of place. It seems like its strong secondary focus on trigger warnings and safe spaces draws too narrow an audience to achieve wide adoption.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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User adoption on Mastodon can be pretty big depending on the project. Look at the number of followers F-Droid has on Mastodon compared to Twitter. https://mastodon.technology/@fdroidorg https://twitter.com/fdroidorg

I imagine it also has to do with audience. F-Droid is a fairly technical project and more technical people may be fine with Mastodon... for a project that might not be oriented towards tech people I imagine it'd be more difficult to build a following there.

That's what I said, it depends on the project. An open data project has a good chance of finding an audience on Masto, I think.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Before being acquired by Facebook, WhatsApp was supporting 900 million users with only 50 employees. So it can be done if you know what you're doing, run a robust tech stack, and don't worry about customer service (and to be clear, Twitter doesn't do customer service, either).

So why do you think they had to grow from 50 employees to beyond 1k employees?

Because Facebook? Because they switched from providing a great service to try and milk out as much money as possible from their users by the way of ads and privacy violations?

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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User adoption on Mastodon can be pretty big depending on the project. Look at the number of followers F-Droid has on Mastodon compared to Twitter. https://mastodon.technology/@fdroidorg https://twitter.com/fdroidorg

I know of absolutely no people that use Mastadon. There might be a niche somewhere that uses it, but I can’t help to think that it would hurt rather than help any hobby project to choose Mastadon over Twitter.

You know of two now: me and Colin.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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What's a good alternative you would suggest? I often have a similar problem and the fact is that most users hang out on platforms that suck like Twitter, Facebook, etc. If I build my business on a decentralized platform like blockchain etc. I immediately lose 90% or even more of my target audience. If I build my business on my own datacenter the cost and maintenance involved is staggeringly high. Do you have a reason…

They had, in their own words hundreds of followers. At the time of this comment, the fediverse has about 1.2 million accounts. It's not that hard to get hundreds of followers there.

Twitter has hundreds of times more accounts. It depends on the audience, everyone's mileage may vary, so on and so forth, but as a general rule of thumb, if you're drawing from a pool that's 300x bigger, it's going to be easier to get orders of magnitude more followers. This is not Mastodon's fault; network effects are what they are.

Having said that, anecdotally I find it very hard to get people outside of a relatively narrow demographic to get on board with it. More than one fairly technically literate friend of mine has stopped about at the point where they're confronted with the choice of what instance to create an account on, especially if they choose and then get told "no, that instance is full, go create one somewhere else." It's not clear that the instance, at least theoretically, doesn't matter.

Note I say "theoretically," because it turns out it can matter. If the instance you choose is maintained poorly, your experience may be worse. (This is in fact my experience.) And it's not clear how to migrate between instances while keeping your social graph intact. Mastodon has a long way to go in terms of user experience to be accessible to people who aren't dedicated enough to the idea of a decentralized Twitter alternative to put up with this stuff.

Last but not least: it's hard for me not to notice that in the year or so I've had a Mastodon account, it's been very hard for me to discover people to follow, especially after the occasional burst of new users dies down. The people I followed are, except for two or three folks who are clearly dedicated to it over Twitter for philosophical reasons, mostly...just not using it now. (Of the two dozen people I followed, my timeline is now pretty much just content from two users, one of who is only "there" because his blog crossposts automatically.) You know where most of them are still active? Twitter.

tl;dr: it might be great for a project like OpenBench to also be on Mastodon, but not exclusively be on it.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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I love it how they have “automated systems that remove spam” that somehow remove innocent accounts like this one but completely fail to remove blatantly obvious spam. I don’t expect the system to be bulletproof and remove advanced spam rings, but when obvious spam is allowed to stay on the platform I’m wondering what the idiots at Twitter are really doing.

Hold on, I've reported multiple extraordinarily obvious spam rings before, with accounts as old as 2013, and I've even kicked up a stink here when Twitter employees show up, and I was told "bots don't violate the TOS." I just checked, it's still there https://mobile.twitter.com/ksfAKBARI check followers/following for a massive ring of obvious spam.

I read a few of the tweets and it's all gibberish. What is the purpose of such a bot? Is the purpose being accomplished?

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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post #79

There's a fair bit of criticism for relying too much on Twitter in this thread, but I think the article brings up a good point: >Yes, I know. We should redecentralize and put our content on Mastodon, or the BlockChain, or some other convoluted platform which has no users. But that’s just not practical for a small project. We have limited technical resources and have to go to where the people are. Despite there being…

User adoption on Mastodon can be pretty big depending on the project. Look at the number of followers F-Droid has on Mastodon compared to Twitter. https://mastodon.technology/@fdroidorg https://twitter.com/fdroidorg

The twitter feed being a mirror also affects the numbers.

Following a mirror account is less interesting.

Just like how a mirror repo on GitHub is less interesting to star than a repo that has GitHub as its designated main location.

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