NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report

Post by chrischen » Sat, May 05, 2018, 7:45 AM UTC

chocolatebunny wrote: post #210

anoncoward778 wrote: post #17

Automatically collecting everyone's cell phone data, has software automatically installed in Smart TV's everywhere, monitors your online footprint (emails, social media[of course]). All those warning from Snowden all those secret software reveals from wikileaks an untold amount of funding from congress with virtually no oversight. And yet tons of bad things keep happening to regular citizens in the US. What exactly d…

Your message sounds kind of ominous but I'd like to point out hanlon's razor. The NSA sounds like another public sector organization that just tries to spend us much money as it can to justify itself getting so much money. The problem is when people with access to that information try to use it for their own personal gain, or when they use this information against anyone who speaks out against the NSA's ridiculous bu…

Post by occamrazor » Sat, May 05, 2018, 10:09 AM UTC

knowThySelfx wrote: post #240

Only 500M? With the Management Engine type spy chips installed in virtually all modern processors which runs our computers and phones, its all very easy. 500M is hogwash.

Post by sillysaurus3 » Sat, May 05, 2018, 10:52 AM UTC

jMyles wrote: post #237

factsaresacred wrote: post #232

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Jesus. They're criminals not slaves. Don't do the crime, don't do the time. Look, I too watched 13th on Netflix. Black people are over-represented in violent crime like assault, murder and rape, and so are over-represented in prisons.

> Don't do the crime, don't do the time. Isn't this materially the same as, "if you are black, and especially black and male, choose your diet according to what the government says you can put in your body?" If "the crime" is ingesting cannabis, I do the crime all the freakin' time and I have never, ever imagined that I might suffer any consequence of it. Is "Don't do the crime, don't do the time" a reasonable thing…

Post by e12e » Sat, May 05, 2018, 11:30 AM UTC

newman8r wrote: post #173

jMyles wrote: post #137

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I didn't say total slaves vs. total prisoners - I said black men. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/12/michelle-alexander... edit: I can't imagine why I'm being downvoted here. My statement was utterly correct, and when challenged I cited a credible source. What'd I do wrong?!

The article makes the claim for the year 1850, and your claim is for the year 1860. There were more slaves in 1860 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_Census ) than in 1850 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1850_United_States_Census ) In 1860 there were 3,953,761 slaves counted in the census. In 2016, if you count everyone under probation and parole in addition to those in jail and prison, the number is…

Post by wallace_f » Sat, May 05, 2018, 11:36 AM UTC

fulafel wrote: post #244

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> Whom are they protecting? Cause it sure is not the average citizen. But was there ever any indication to the contrary? How did we as Americans convert to the myth that our government, let alone our "intelligence" agencies, have any inclination to protect us or advance our interests? That has never been their practice ever. Our government spent the better part of a century not only allowing 3.5 million of us to live…

I think this is attributing too much agency to "government". Voters wanted slavery, and so public officials supported it. Voters wanted wars and a surveillance state after 9/11. Etc. (Same goes for the good things that the public sector does, of course) Yes there is inertia and self-perpetuation, like in any organisations, but not overwhelmingly much.