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The rise of the pointless job

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Re: The rise of the pointless job

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Eh. They could become merchants or craftspersons too. The options weren't starve to death or kill for money.

It would have been unthinkable, in a lot of history, for a nobleman to become a merchant or a craftsman. Not just "people think you're weird," but like your family and friends would disown you and your potential customers would all think you're insane and you'd have no way to learn the job anyway because no commoner would dare take you as an apprentice. The modern Western world has no analog for how deep the noble/co…

This sort of sounds like Brahmins in the 19th century?

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I'm a programmer working at a big-tech company. I make ~$350k/year, even though my job could be done equally well by a college intern. I only do ~2 hours of productive work in an average day. My previous jobs were far more interesting and challenging, and I had apparently done extremely well in my interviews. Hence why I got an offer with an extremely good compensation package. However, the team that I go put into, i…

It makes sense sometimes. If you have a huge, complex organization, it might make sense to have predictable, synchronous cogs. It makes planning easier and less risky, and moving the entire system as a whole is easier if the individual parts don't vary too much.

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Is visited the USA just once (in 2003), but there was an old man that took my bag off the end of the luggage belt at the airport and handed it to me. I could easily have picked it up myself, but he was there for those 30 centimeters of bag travel. I remember being amazed about it and remarking the pointlessness of that job to my coworkers.

I'm always a bit taken back when visiting the toilet at clubs and some restaurants when I'm in the UK as there's a gentleman sitting by the sink handing out towels and stuff. Very strange and utterly useless. Not sure if he's paid by the club or lives of tip, but it makes me really uncomfortable. I just want to take a piss and wash my hands, not have an awkward conversation with a towel handler.

I've never seen this in my life in the UK. There is a guy watching over the people in the toilets in the clubs near me, but you don't talk to him and he doesn't hand you anything. Even if he did hand you something, you don't have to have a conversation with him.

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When my family lived in Japan years ago, we noticed that when taking the train, approximately three attendants checked our tickets before we boarded a train. At least two of those jobs are "bullshit" in terms of producing wealth, but they are socially beneficial in a culture where the social contract requires near-zero unemployment. (I, apparently like you, can't help but remember this kind of arrangement when listen…

Most gates are automatic now in Japan (with a conductor sometimes checking tickets on Shinkansen after gates). When I was in the US there was a guy handing me a towel in the bathroom. That is an incredibly meaningless and superfluous job!

Towel guy is there to prevent fucking and drug use in bathrooms (without a bribe).

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Those aren't bullshit either... Who else is going to animate the hair? If there's a robot that can do the job, great, but it has to get done somehow.

No it doesn't. Marvel movies could stop existing tomorrow and it wouldn't matter at all. Life goes on.

It matters to me and many many others who enjoy the marvel movies.

You're essentially saying entertainment is meaningless. Which isn't right at all.

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Once upon a time there was a thing to be done. Huge meetings were held, and goals were set for how much of the thing should be done per month. Metrics were set up to track how much of the thing had happened. Over a hundred people were invited to these meetings, and countless man-hours were spent on defining goals. Many more hours were spent on measuring progress toward those goals. Group emails were sent, vaguely confused words were spoken, and spreadsheets sprang forth from the void.

None of this affected the people whose job was to actually do the thing. They did as much of the thing as could be done in the time they had. The goals came from the void and the metrics went into the void, and no echo was heard.

... And "once upon a time" means, in this case, "a few months ago at a big company where I work." The really funny thing, though, is that most of these jobs make local sense. The managers who went to the meetings and so on? They were sheltering their people from all this so that things could get done. Even the people who set all this in motion were probably well-meaning, since they wanted the thing to be done and took actions that they perhaps thought might plausibly lead toward this. I can't hate any of the people involved -- and yet the end result of it all is complete waste; utter horrifying destruction of irreplaceable time and energy. It would be better to light large piles of cash on fire, because it would be much cheaper and at least then we'd be able to stare at the flames.

How do you prevent this sort of situation?

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I had a very similar experience once when I worked for the government. I wanted my small desk pointed a different direction, so I rotated it. A few hours later my supervisor and a union rep showed up fuming. They have people for moving things, why was I trying to take their jobs?!

Not sure if true or false to demonize unions, but I've heard stories about the horror of trade shows at union facilities where booth staff were literally not allowed to plug items into power strips within their booths - it required a service request and probably a charge.

I've experienced that at a trade show too. That convention center did it as a means of charging crazy money for electricity. Internet was very expensive too.

Trade shows are a racket facilities-wise but worth it as publicity/B2B opportunities.

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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Once upon a time there was a thing to be done. Huge meetings were held, and goals were set for how much of the thing should be done per month. Metrics were set up to track how much of the thing had happened. Over a hundred people were invited to these meetings, and countless man-hours were spent on defining goals. Many more hours were spent on measuring progress toward those goals. Group emails were sent, vaguely con…

Is this an argument against the need for managers? Google tried that, and it failed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2013/07/17/googl...

Re: The rise of the pointless job

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People in this thread that are praising job-creation as a social good miss the point. Jobs are not good on their own if they produce nothing.

If you are unable to distribute wealth through other means and a job is absolutely necessary, then find some useful work for the person to do. There is ALWAYS more work to do There are never enough bridges, roads, doctors, books, movies, research, etc. etc. If your society cannot find useful things for people to do, that is a failing of your method of societal organization.

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I'm a programmer working at a big-tech company. I make ~$350k/year, even though my job could be done equally well by a college intern. I only do ~2 hours of productive work in an average day. My previous jobs were far more interesting and challenging, and I had apparently done extremely well in my interviews. Hence why I got an offer with an extremely good compensation package. However, the team that I go put into, i…

I wouldn't be able to stand it. The only thing that combats the suck of going to an office every day is having something to do to make the time pass. I would go insane.

You could code up some software that animated money going into your bank account.
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