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I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by sydd »

rvanmil wrote: post #153

As a user I am glad Apple is the "loser" in this article and it's the reason I love iOS and hope Apple doesn't change anything in their attitude towards the "free and open" web. I do not trust the web, at all. Access the camera? Nope. The microphone? Are you kidding me. Notifications, GPS, background processing? Fuck no. I am very happy to have Apple as a quality, security and privacy gatekeeper, because I do not hav…

Why would you trust someone on the app store more? Just because they invested $99 to spy on you?

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by otachack »

If developers that want their free apps to be uploaded to iTunes don't want to pay the fee I can try to propose a solution.

A collective of similar individuals can pay for one iTunes account and share it between all involved. There can be a entry process for others willing to join as well. Of course, there are a few negatives:

- the account agent account has the keys to this. It would have to be someone highly trusted, but perhaps it can be down to a vote to determine the role. At first, it can simply be whoever starts this.

- if iTunes decides to shut down the account, the all eggs in one basket approach would shutdown all of the apps

- maintenance of distribution keys/provisionings may be a hassle depending on the roles regular members have in this (non-admins can't create iTunes Distribution provisionings)

- The "see all apps created by this dev" feature may show seemingly unrelated apps

I'm sure there's more I can't think of, but I still think it's doable.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by Can_Not »

littlestymaar wrote: post #182
shinratdr wrote: post #39

From a user perspective, this is why I love iOS. * Barrier to entry. If your project is more than a hobby, you can jump through a couple hoops to reach the iOS userbase. If the difference between $99 and $25 is make-or-break, you're probably trying to publish a hobby/low quality app anyways. There is a reason the Microsoft Store and Google Play are absolutely filled with trash, and this is part of it. * Forcing you t…

> Everyone else wants native apps back, even if they don't know it. Case and point: the hatred for all the apps moving to Electron and the ridiculous amount of resources they consume. The main complain people have with electron, is its heaviness. You ship a whole browser just for your tiny app. If every electron instance was using the same library & the same process (esp. the same JavaScript VM), most of the trouble…

Most people have been hating the new Skype long before they converted it to Electron.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by realusername »

scarface74 wrote: post #349
realusername wrote: post #336

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They only provide inferior user experience because Safari mobile is crap.

Right, because computing is full of cross platform frameworks that you can write once and run anywhere and have as great of an experience as native apps - look how great Java and Swing were.

Java powers Android so it seems to work. Also web apps seem to work on Android as well, it's only on iOS that you have this kind of issues.

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Post by Angostura »

mceoin wrote: post #351
Angostura wrote: post #341

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I can have 30 tabs open in Safari on iOS. It would drive me absolutely potty trying to find the one that had decided to start playing advert audio.

Surely we can improve the Safari UI to overcome this. (Thinking of how effective chrome tabs on desktop that show which tab is playing audio)

Don't care. Don't want to have to unlock my phone in a meeting and sort though the tabs to stop the racket.

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Post by scarface74 »

realusername wrote: post #364
scarface74 wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, because computing is full of cross platform frameworks that you can write once and run anywhere and have as great of an experience as native apps - look how great Java and Swing were.

Java powers Android so it seems to work. Also web apps seem to work on Android as well, it's only on iOS that you have this kind of issues.

Android uses the Java language on top of Google's non cross platform framework. That's completely different than using Java with Swing. An Android app is not cross platform.

Web apps on Android May "work" but still aren't as responsive as native Android apps.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by mthoms »

Angostura wrote: post #366
mceoin wrote: post #351

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Surely we can improve the Safari UI to overcome this. (Thinking of how effective chrome tabs on desktop that show which tab is playing audio)

Don't care. Don't want to have to unlock my phone in a meeting and sort though the tabs to stop the racket.

This could be as easy as:

1. Open control center.

2. Control music from there.

3. There is no step 3.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by scarface74 »

ascorbic wrote: post #275
evv wrote: post #192

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This is effectively asking to double the size of the engineering team, or slow it down dramatically. If I were a startup or small business, I'd rather ship a slightly slow-feeling app with my existing team of web developers who already know their tools, than to hire a bunch of native developers and somehow get them all on the same page.

And asking to drop Linux support.

Is that a bad thing? What does the Slack "native" app do that the website doesn't? The website supports push notifications on the desktop.

Re: I built a progressive web app and published it in three app stores

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Post by alxlaz »

andai wrote: post #168
vkjv wrote: post #128

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I love electron and I've never built one and don't have any immediate plans to do so. I'm a Linux user and because of how easy electron has made cross platform, I am enjoying far more applications that support Linux because barrier is so incredibly low. Are they resource hungry? Yes. Are they as smooth as a well polished native app? No. But, for many of these apps, the alternative is having nothing at all. "Requiring…

This is a really interesting point I haven't heard before: that the silver lining of everyone making electron apps is better Linux support!

The silver is somewhat dulled by the fact that an Electron application is barely better than no application at all, only slightly less heavy than running VirtualBox in seamless mode, and has about the same level of native integration.
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