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Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by dingaling »

russellbeattie wrote: post #29
yndoendo wrote: post #4

Still cannot understand the IoT mentality. It is actually the CoT Communication of Things. Internet shouldn't be required to turn your lights on or off nor be the device communication backbone in an industrial enviornment. Internet should always be the last resort for communicating because of the distance.

Totally with you. Maybe I'm a pessimist or a luddite or something, but I really don't think IoT devices should be connected directly to the Internet. Most are just too simple, underpowered or cheaply made to adequately defend themselves from attacks. IoT gadgets should always talk to a more powerful/secure hub of some sort, which then is exposed to the Internet. Seriously, my WiFi lightbulb switch just has no busines…

Just because a device supports IPv6 doesn't mean you have to route that prefix to the Internet.

Assign Unique Locals ( ULA ) to untrusted LAN devices and no Internet router will carry them.

Then your laptop or phone can additionally receive a routed prefix. Remember with IPv6 you can assign an arbitrary number of prefixes and addresses to each interface, or just one. It makes for very flexible routing.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by koffiezet »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #119
jamiek88 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's not on the internet it can't become part of a botnet. You lose functionality though, like being able to check doors etc. remotely. I trust Apple and I trust Homekit so I'm not too concerned with that.

> You lose functionality though, like being able to check doors etc. remotely. You don't. That's what VPNs are for.

That's nice for techies, but I'd love to see you explain that to my mom...

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by neko_koneko »

bjpbakker wrote: post #167
threeseed wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression you can disable all of the telemetry. Is that not the case ? And Pro really refers to Prosumer not Professional.

According to blog posts and articles on tech sites there still is no way to disable all telemetry on windows 10. I don’t use windows for a long time now so I cannot tell myself. Anyhow, it is /not/ ok for an OS to spy on their users by default - even if you can disable it manually.

By the way, is there a list of things that Windows collects about computer/user activity?

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by debeers »

threeseed wrote: post #152
oldcynic wrote: post #67

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> Pro edition ... Of course they collect data There's something fundamentally wrong with that to my mind, given how the Pro release of Windows has always been placed. I should not need to get an Enterprise release to be able to manage my own machine, restrict the phoning home, and control other basic features of my machine used in a professional context. I've no need of 101 features for managing 1,000 desktops and ne…

I was under the impression you can disable all of the telemetry. Is that not the case ? And Pro really refers to Prosumer not Professional.

You can't. It still phones home a lot, even at the lowest telemetry settings. The only edition where you can disable it is LTSB and even there it is hidden in Local Group Policy Editor.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by squarefoot »

lalaithion wrote: post #126
squarefoot wrote: post #60

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Rather than their Linux distro I think they will do what Google did with Android, that is, making their ecosystem run under the Linux kernel (plus MS services) so that they will save a huge load of money by not having to maintain their own kernel. Think about not having to write drivers for every piece of hardware that gets produced; they would probably just audit and test the code to certify the driver as fully comp…

And then Linus would fork it, and everyone would follow his fork instead of Microsoft's.

We would for sure, though I'm not sure about the corporate world.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by mda »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #6

Microsoft has a lot of great engineers that have no religious bias against Linux. This was strictly a Bill Gates/Steve Ballmer thing. The smartest thing Nadella did was get rid of the Windows religion aspect to their work and let their engineers do the best thing, and not be afraid of Linux.

They had a good relation with Linux . in the business of shaking down conpanies with bogus patents. Nadella is no different.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by Incambino »

Fill1200 wrote: post #127
greenhouse_gas wrote: post #79

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>Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB So tell me, where can I buy that for my personal computer? >because they're for serious people No, because those who can get Windows 10 LTSB actually have the power to push back. Imagine telling Dell or HP that everything they type may be sent to MS at any time. >You can still take control So how can I permanently end all telemetry, now and forever on my box. I'm even willing to sign a let…

Enterprise edition is almost the same as Pro. I use it as a labo PC for free. After expire, I reinstall.

Enterprise LTSB is not however, it doesn't have the Store, Windows Apps or Cortana and doesn't receive feature updates only security ones.

I use a license key from work for my home PCs and it's lovely.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by romanovcode »

ccozan wrote: post #143
johnhenry wrote: post #125

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So, I guess Linus super-wins?

There is an 80% chance that you are carrying a Linux kernel powered device in your pocket right now. I think is a undisputed win.

Not for so long tho. Fuchsia is not linux.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by batuhanw »

neko_koneko wrote: post #184
bjpbakker wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to blog posts and articles on tech sites there still is no way to disable all telemetry on windows 10. I don’t use windows for a long time now so I cannot tell myself. Anyhow, it is /not/ ok for an OS to spy on their users by default - even if you can disable it manually.

By the way, is there a list of things that Windows collects about computer/user activity?

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