China Is Nationalizing Its Tech Sector

Post by ninkendo » Sat, Apr 14, 2018, 8:56 PM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #131

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I wasn't trying to make a semantic point, more of a sovereignty or legislative point. I'm perfectly willing to concede the semantic point: that bag is fake. The legislative one is "does thia have to be a crime?" Trademark (like most IP rules) are ultimately decided mostly on utility grounds. Does this IP system produce or destroy economic value, and who's value is it producing and destroying. Maybe China can do witho…

This has always been the case. America "stole" IP from Britain during the industrial revolution. China is doing the same now. IP laws are part of the legal doctrine of any country; another Sovereign entity cannot be compelled to follow it legally. So you use other tactics, e.g. membership in the WTO, which gives access to Western markets, to try and force other Sovereign nations to respect those laws.

Post by selimthegrim » Sat, Apr 14, 2018, 9:11 PM UTC

kchoudhu wrote: post #144

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Where will it move to? Tech manufacturing is till pretty labor intensive, at least for the consumer electronics that I believe we are talking about. India probably has better IP laws on paper, but they're hardly ever enforced. The only real alternative seems to be that we reach such a level of automation that these factories can be viable in the West. Still, China's integration into the supply chain of global manufac…

Come to South Asia -- Bangladesh, India, Pakistan. Weak institutions and governments concerned solely with infighting mean that your IP is probably safe from marauding governments. All your clothes are already made there, why not your electronics?

Post by antoniuschan99 » Sat, Apr 14, 2018, 9:13 PM UTC

foepys wrote: post #166

pm90 wrote: post #123

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Where will it move to? Tech manufacturing is till pretty labor intensive, at least for the consumer electronics that I believe we are talking about. India probably has better IP laws on paper, but they're hardly ever enforced. The only real alternative seems to be that we reach such a level of automation that these factories can be viable in the West. Still, China's integration into the supply chain of global manufac…

I fear it might even be too late. Tech-hotspots like Shenzhen are so highly specialized on producing any kind of tech extremely fast, that the Western world cannot replicate that without massive costs that would instantly double all hardware prices. The kind of expertise needed to create those manufacturing powerhouses might not even be in Western hands anymore. Nowadays, if you are a hardware start-up that needs spe…

Post by barrkel » Sat, Apr 14, 2018, 9:24 PM UTC

wwweston wrote: post #167

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>the West keeps falling for it for some reason The west acted as if mercantilism basically couldn't work. Ricardian theory of comparative advantage was elevated to near-religion status in the 90s and early 00s. China not opening up fully was seen as an aberration that would ultimately only harm China rather than a potential long term threat. That was the prevailing attitude among policymaking circles (you can see thi…

I got some lessons in that religion in the early 00s, and think it's still gospel in a lot of circles (I certainly know a few vigorous proponents). Is there a school of thought that's superseded the Ricardian theory?

Post by 18pfsmt » Sat, Apr 14, 2018, 9:36 PM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #132

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> China is the pro-trade side. They'll be willing to make concessions, do the work, etc. It's the beijing consensus now, not washington. China isn't pro trade per se. They're pro export, in the old mercantilist sense. They've spent the last 30 years heavily restricting trade access into and within China by foreign entities. They'll amass around a $900 billion to $1 trillion trade surplus with the EU over the five yea…

>Here's how the China trade illusion works (and the West keeps falling for it for some reason): Plainly, its because most Western Governments (especially in the US) are heavily influenced by business interests via lobbies, PAC's etc. And Businesses simply want to use cheap labor in China to improve their bottom lines, even if that means the labor force in the US suffers as a result. They do not give a shit if China r…