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Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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When i think web-brutalism i do not think of anything illustrated in this article. I think of (old) Reddit, Craigslist, this very "forum", and similar ones that are mostly text with minimal/no JS or graphics.

This. Brutalism is inherently utilitarian. Content over presentation. IETF RFCs are brutalist.

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Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I'm confused. I don't see what makes most of the examples cited here "Brutalist" in any meaningful fashion. Brutalism is, of course, a fuzzy (and contentious) label to begin with. But the article cites two interpretations of the term that we could use to evaluate how Brutalist a given design is: honest, unpretentious and anti-bourgeois and a sense of roughness, exposed structures and visible thought processes The pro…

Craigslist is a great example of what actual brutalist design would look like on the web. Not the web, but ncurses and other cli like uis are probably brutalist. The examples in the blog post don't strike me as brutalist at all. More like Swiss modern, which at this point has been done to death. I think designers like the "clean" look but I find it to antiseptic and antihuman. Myspace was an example of a human (but n…

Wouldn't motherfuckingwebsite.com be the perfect distillation of the philosophy he's talking about?

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I'd rather that someday someone started a social-media discussion about beautiful International Style buildings https://www.bauhaus-dessau.de/im/1128x0/4521fb85f94dd85172f2... https://www.bauhaus100.de/en/past/works/architecture/chicago... instead of another round of clickbaiting with self-consciously gimmicky buildings from the fag-end of modernism.

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I'm confused. I don't see what makes most of the examples cited here "Brutalist" in any meaningful fashion. Brutalism is, of course, a fuzzy (and contentious) label to begin with. But the article cites two interpretations of the term that we could use to evaluate how Brutalist a given design is: honest, unpretentious and anti-bourgeois and a sense of roughness, exposed structures and visible thought processes The pro…

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Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I'm confused. I don't see what makes most of the examples cited here "Brutalist" in any meaningful fashion. Brutalism is, of course, a fuzzy (and contentious) label to begin with. But the article cites two interpretations of the term that we could use to evaluate how Brutalist a given design is: honest, unpretentious and anti-bourgeois and a sense of roughness, exposed structures and visible thought processes The pro…

> And to the other definition, "exposed structures and visible thought processes," I'd point to...

Have you ever got a stacktrace in an http 500 error page? There you have it :)

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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Then again, the label 'brutalist' is fraught with conflated interpretations that to some followed logically, yet in other contexts they appear to be in conflict. From the very beginning, the term sprung out of linguistic confusion between French and English [1], where Le Corbusier's French descriptor for 'raw concrete' was lost in translation and reinterpreted by English commentators as brutal, then art imitated life…

Brutalist architecture was a disaster, especially in countries like the UK where poor light and regular rain make grey concrete one of the most depressing and least durable of all possible building materials. The UK was littered with Brutalist "statement" buildings. Most have been pulled down now, and - with a few high profile exceptions, which have escaped the low-budget ghetto most of the movement settled in - the…

That's why brutalist architecture works best when it includes large windows and sky lights.

What makes the brutalist buildings in the Pacific Northwest beautiful is that many of them are now covered in vegetation, with mosses or vines muting their harshness.

That said, this so-called "brutalist web design" is bullshit. It's just avant-garde design of the 80s applied to web pages.

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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Reminds me of the Adbusters Magazine I used to read as a kid. Philosophically and aesthetically brutalist and uncomfortable.

What does "Philosophically and aesthetically brutalist and uncomfortable." mean?

Will understand when you pick one up by accident at a local library if they have it, its very aesthetically well done but also usually uncomfortable content

Example: https://adbusters.org/

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I'm confused. I don't see what makes most of the examples cited here "Brutalist" in any meaningful fashion. Brutalism is, of course, a fuzzy (and contentious) label to begin with. But the article cites two interpretations of the term that we could use to evaluate how Brutalist a given design is: honest, unpretentious and anti-bourgeois and a sense of roughness, exposed structures and visible thought processes The pro…

I like the word "brutal" in this context.

> If we want to have Brutalism as a valid design approach for the web, we first need to decide on what exactly the word means. Otherwise it will just become...

What's brutal about that though? Instead of "design by committees", do it brutally.

Instead of A/B testing: throw it onto the screen.

Instead of slick: rough.

People will find the link that you want them to click, even when you are using design principles that are uncommon or "not like Google".

A long as you are honest. And perhaps also brutal.

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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Beaucorp! What a great new word. One of the world-spanning megacorporations from William Gibson but decorated in a Beaux-Arts style.

It's an old word, afaik. Means 'mega' in this context. Also I mispelled it :D

I think they know that, and were riffing off the misspelling ;-)

It's about an 800 year old word in French. Wiktionary claims that it was imported to US English primarily by GIs returning from the Vietnam War. I'd assume that it would come more directly from French, in other forms of English.

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