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Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I was impressed with the brutalist architecture, those plain concrete buildings have something about them that I can't place. Maybe like the old concrete tower hovering over the backdrop of a new, colorful, city? Something about it peeks your senses. As for the web design, it was also interesting. I liked some of the designs, others not so much. The website for zku: http://www.zku-berlin.org Something about that just…

I thought the same thing: when I first went to that site, I immediately thought, "I could've sworn I had made a site that looked like this back in the late 90’s..."

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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The brutalist style works when it is the right design for the job, just shoehorning it for the sake of "design aesthetics" makes no sense. In fact it would work great for HN style webpages.

I run something similar - DiscoverDev ( https://discoverdev.io ) and got a lot of compliments on the "brutalist design". Then again it is a minimilist site, I really doubt this would work well for larger applications.

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

#13

When i think web-brutalism i do not think of anything illustrated in this article. I think of (old) Reddit, Craigslist, this very "forum", and similar ones that are mostly text with minimal/no JS or graphics.

Yes this article seems to be redefining "web brutalism" to be a simple recoloring of the same wretched over designed unusable webpages that "web brutalism" was a reaction to.

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I actually really like the usage of borders in these "brutalist" designs. Current design trends seem to minimize or eliminate borders altogether, which makes it hard to visually separate content, which makes it hard for users to find the content they want. I thought I could browse through the text on these new sites faster because the borders were so much more prominent [0].

I think the random placement of links is a tricky thing though. One one hand it brings identity to your brand, but on the other hand, it’s not intuitive for the user.

[0] http://www.zku-berlin.org/, pkamb below also linked https://nwfilmforum.org/

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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These people are conflating brutalism with postmodernism.

A brutalist website would be one without a stylesheet, or a simple txt file rendered in monospace.

These are just websites that go out of their way to be ugly and unusable. Nothing to do with brutalism, and more to do with pretentious art school graduates ruminating on the critical theory of intersectional webdesign or some other bullshit.

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I'm confused. I don't see what makes most of the examples cited here "Brutalist" in any meaningful fashion.

Brutalism is, of course, a fuzzy (and contentious) label to begin with. But the article cites two interpretations of the term that we could use to evaluate how Brutalist a given design is:

honest, unpretentious and anti-bourgeois

and

a sense of roughness, exposed structures and visible thought processes

The problem is, I'm not seeing a lot of either of these in the examples provided.

If you asked me to name a site whose design is "honest, unpretentious and anti-bourgeois," for instance, examples that would leap to my mind are Craigslist and HN -- both of which focus on simple (even drab) layouts dominated by plain old text. But the examples are full of vibrant colors, big images and irregular, unconventional layouts! They're refreshing and interesting to look at, but that doesn't make them Brutalist.

And to the other definition, "exposed structures and visible thought processes," I'd point to... well, I'm not sure what I'd point to. I'm not sure there is any web site that would qualify as Brutalist by this definition. Are there any sites that let their plumbing hang conspicuously out on the sides? Bloomberg and Dropbox and the Outline certainly don't. I'd think of this more as a site where you interact with it via an API or the developer console or some heavy, overwhelming user interface than as a news site that happens to have decided to use giant fonts and screaming neon colors.

If we want to have Brutalism as a valid design approach for the web, we first need to decide on what exactly the word means. Otherwise it will just become a parking lot for whatever trends happen to be fashionable at the moment, which is not a great way to build something that will make a lasting impact.

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I was impressed with the brutalist architecture, those plain concrete buildings have something about them that I can't place. Maybe like the old concrete tower hovering over the backdrop of a new, colorful, city? Something about it peeks your senses. As for the web design, it was also interesting. I liked some of the designs, others not so much. The website for zku: http://www.zku-berlin.org Something about that just…

> Something about that just feels comforting, if not nostalgic, like what you'd expect to see from an early 2000s webpage before things got fancy. I think what makes these sites pop for me is the contrast of colors, too much white ruins the effect. Having out of place, darker colors thrown in feels like its breaking the rules, in a good way.

To me, the page feels like a Geocities site that "grew up"- in a good way. The "chunkiness" of the element borders reminds me of the traditional default styling of elements.

You're also spot on with the contrast: I just checked, and this site's design is based on only three colors: #fff, #000, and #ff0. That's a pretty bold design statement, and they pull it off.

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I guess I'm missing the connection on those websites to Brutalist architecture. It seems more like they're bored with regular design, and want to be more experimental.

It reminds conceptually more of Emigre magazine [1] or Ray Gun [2], where the design didn't have to be "readable".

    [1] https://www.emigre.com/Magazine
    [2] http://www.davidcarsondesign.com/t/tag/raygun/

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

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I'm starting to get tired of the cookie-cutter Bootstrap and Squarespace templates taking over the web. This is a refreshing read, I like the comparisons it makes to brutalism in architecture.

It's backwards, though, because Bootstrap and Squarespace are Brutalist (to whatever extent that word really applies to the web at all): cheap, egalitarian, and simple to use.

Re: Brutalist Design Is the Bad Influence We All Need

#20

When i think web-brutalism i do not think of anything illustrated in this article. I think of (old) Reddit, Craigslist, this very "forum", and similar ones that are mostly text with minimal/no JS or graphics.

This.

Brutalism is inherently utilitarian. Content over presentation.

IETF RFCs are brutalist.

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