All the more reason to support the right to repair
https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/3/8/17097256/cali...
iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
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Re: iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
More like Step 1: Buy a new car Step 2: Replace engine with something other than OEM Step 2.33: Car runs fine Step 2.66: Manufacturer comes to your house and 'fixes' your ECU while you're asleep Step 3: Complain when car's ECU does not run engine
So the manufacturer is not allowed to make everyone's ECU better because you decided to replace your engine with an older model?
You changed the premise. What's being made better? The change being discussed is broken phones. That's not better. Hypothetically, that could be from a change that makes something better. Is there any reason to believe it though?
Re: iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmmmm. Step 1: Buy new car Step 2: Replace engine with something other than OEM. Step 3: Complain when car's ECU does not run engine.
This seems closer to: 1. But new car 2. Replace broken windshield with something other than OEM 3. Complain when car refuses to start because its computer detected a non OEM windshield.
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Re: iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is precisely the kind of stuff that Microsoft is famous for, and it is entirely possible. Heck, third party hardware is what made PCs great. I think, however, that there is a difference in customer base; Microsoft caters to businesses, Apple to consumers. When Microsoft breaks a third party app/device with a Windows Service Pack, Microsoft needs to fix this otherwise their customers get angry. When Apple breaks…
It's amazing that I find myself thinking that Microsoft of the 90's and early 2000's as actually being a more open and accommodating company and windows being a more open and accommodating environment than Apple and iOS today. Whether Microsoft had no choice and would have been worse if they could in this respect, the fact they they weren't and I think Apple is , and Microsoft was widely lambasted as money driven (e.…
Fruit company pulls the plug on anyone who writes anything bad about them. No more marketing money, no more freebies, so publishers think twice about it.
Re: iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's a great article that discusses why doing this would be a bad idea: https://blog.darkrainfall.org/2016/02/a-short-rant-about-err...
Well, that is an opinion. However, bricking a device without previous warning seems quite out of control. There are many easier things to do. Like, for example, nagging the user every day with a message, not upgrading the software (and still nagging the user with a message), etc... Bricking a device is certainly a bad user experience and not at all what the user wishes. Nagging him at least lets him use the phone and…
> not upgrading the software
For goodness sake no! Blocking software updates is a terrible thing to do, because most people don't want to install them anyways. You're basically putting people in an already bad situation in a worse situation.
> Nagging him at least lets him use the phone and keeps him informed.
It only takes the user using the sketchy Touch ID sensor once for their fingerprint to be sent out to malicious actors.
> If the user is stupid, let him be so.
That's what you think, but that's not how Apple works. It's their job to make the default work well for those who may not be completely knowledgable about security.
Re: iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
#56Apple, I get it. I get why you do it. But seriously, this retroactive punishing of prior 3rd-party purchases is asinine. I had purchased multiple lightning cables from Anker (a very reputable brand), and had one of the iOS 11.x updates basically render them useless. Apple's product support is not fast enough, nor pervasive enough (to say nothing of cheap enough), to justify this behavior. Edited for clarity
It was not done intentionally. They simply don't QA their releases on repaired phones (because why would they?). The touchscreens in question highly likely use an older touchscreen controller from a previous iPhone. These controllers don't support certain commands that evidently they are now using. As far as the lightning connectors go, that WAS done intentionally. The third party lightning connectors generally don't…
Why doesn't any other phone manufacturer have this problem?
Re: iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
>(because why would they?) Because a company understands their product in the field and cares about what effect a change might have. Now is that cost justified? arguably no.
Slippery slope here. If they start testing with 3rd party hardware, that market will grow for third party parts whereas if they constantly tell people they don't support it and casually break those devices by accident, then they curb the issue while it's a small segment of the market. I see a company like Tesla taking the same approach.
If we keep going down this slippery slope, next thing you know there'll be stores called Phonezone or Advanced Phone Parts on every street corner selling repair parts for every popular brand of phone at reasonable prices enabling consumers to do their own repairs at home.
Re: iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's a great article that discusses why doing this would be a bad idea: https://blog.darkrainfall.org/2016/02/a-short-rant-about-err...
Except this particular issue has absolutely nothing to do with TouchID or security at all. It's just the screen. Error 53 was significantly more justifiable.
I do realize the difference here; it's just that the parent brought up security, so I assumed that they were bringing up the case from two years ago.
Re: iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was not done intentionally. They simply don't QA their releases on repaired phones (because why would they?). The touchscreens in question highly likely use an older touchscreen controller from a previous iPhone. These controllers don't support certain commands that evidently they are now using. As far as the lightning connectors go, that WAS done intentionally. The third party lightning connectors generally don't…
Why doesn't any other phone manufacturer have this problem?
No other phone manufacturer is that tightly HW/SW integrated.
Re: iOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
It'd be pretty hard for them to know though. They'd have to reverse engineer (the irony isn't lost on me) every variation of third party screen/touchscreen controller. What happens if some feature isn't available on a third party screen? Either they don't implement the feature at all or third party screens are now worse off and we'll have a headline "Apple cripples third party repairs!".
This is precisely the kind of stuff that Microsoft is famous for, and it is entirely possible. Heck, third party hardware is what made PCs great. I think, however, that there is a difference in customer base; Microsoft caters to businesses, Apple to consumers. When Microsoft breaks a third party app/device with a Windows Service Pack, Microsoft needs to fix this otherwise their customers get angry. When Apple breaks…
When Microsoft broke third-party stuff, the end result didn't cause fires. It was also done very deliberately to damage competitors, according to information revealed at trial.
Software companies can do things a bit differently from hardware companies.