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Middle-Class Families Increasingly Look to Community Colleges

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Re: Middle-Class Families Increasingly Look to Community Colleges

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That's what I did and it was lit. Worked at kmart for a year then pretty much paid my tuition out of savings. Stood way out in all my classes. Got transfer scholarship to my state flagship. If money isn't an issue I guess four years could be better, but it seems pretty good to use CCs.

Maybe you're opposed to using government aid which is fine; but if you had to work to pay for community college you probably could've qualified for Pell Grants that would have paid for everything since community college is so cheap.

Unfortunately my household had pretty high income but wasn't really available to the children due to my mother being sick and my father being pretty bad with money. But I did get a Pell Grant and a similar state grant once I aged into FAFSA independece, which meant the only thing I had to pay for my second year at our state flagship was food.

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Having a year (or more) of college credits upon high school graduation should be one of the education tracks available to every student. It's a massive failure of imagination that this isn't already the case.

The local 2 year college nearby created a Charter High School for grades 11-12 where there High School students take college classes to count for both college and high school. It was good for my son who graduated a few years ago. More 2 year colleges might have similar programs I am not sure http://middlecollege.guhsd.net/

I did that in high school instead of going to my state's elite public boarding school and transferred 66 credits into my state school. In retrospect it was a huge mistake, my outcomes since pale in comparison to the folks that graduated from the elite school (though it's possible the same would have happened).

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I had a poor high school experience and barely graduated without an SAT score. To eat I had to go to work immediately. I didn't realize for several years that I could get into the local CC without an SAT score.

When I did, I started taking remedial classes, trying to rebuild what I should have learned in high school. After a couple years I entered a real major, graduated with a couple A.S. degrees and an almost 4.0. It cost something like $50/credit hour when I went. I think the entire program cost me under $5k. Today, it's about $12k. I think I still could have swung it by just adding another year.

This got me immediate entrance in the local state school where I entered as a Junior and finished up my undergraduate degree -- again while working full time. It was paid for almost entirely by grants. I think it was a little over $10 for those final two years. Today it's about double again. Harder, but again, doable.

I had to work full-time the entire time, got married in the middle, it took me almost 7 years, but at every increment I was able to use my advancing education to get radically better jobs.

Later I went back, got an M.S., but this time I had a few years of high paying tech jobs and I just wrote a check every semester. It also wasn't terribly expensive.

The CC covered all of the core courses I could have possibly wanted, and the instructors were pretty much as good as what I encountered at state school. In fact, of my professors, most of the ones who were the most dedicated to educating their students were my CC professors. When I entered University, I was incredibly prepared for the academic life there and had no problem making it through the program with another near 4.0 GPA.

If I had a second chance, I would follow this route again, even if I had money and better opportunity growing up. I also found many life-long friends at CC who were on a similar life-path and it's been enjoyable watching each other as we progress in our careers.

The stigma about CC's have to stop and the place it needs to die is in the high schools. Many kids come out of college counseling classes at high school thinking that if they don't go to an Ivy that they're basically going to fail out of life and end up dead from a cheap drug overdose. For most people, it matters approximately zero percent in their day to day work lives. I and my old CC friends routinely work with people who went to far better and more expensive schools than I did and have found plenty of workforce success.

Re: Middle-Class Families Increasingly Look to Community Colleges

#154
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Community college worked well for me. 2 weeks after graduating high school I started taking a heavy workload at the local community college. I was able to complete the prerequisites by the following year and transfer to a local state university. I was lucky that both were within a 45min drive from my house. The result was graduating college with a bachelor's degree 2.5 years after graduating high school. I lived at h…

I'm wondering what's the opportunity cost that you paid by having Cal State on your CV instead of a top-ranked university. I sometimes see people who went to MIT or Stanford that I feel would not have gotten nearly as far as they have if it were Cal State. How many of your colleagues are from top universities?

I did a similar thing in Texas (Austin Community College -> Texas State University), albeit later in life. I'm on a 4-person engineering team where the other three when to Carnegie Mellon, Stanford and Princeton.

I guess I worked at a moderately "prestigious" consultancy for a while that is a large factor in me having this particular job, but it seems like top universities aren't all that important beyond your first few years in the industry.

Re: Middle-Class Families Increasingly Look to Community Colleges

#155
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If you go to a four year university with no credits at all and you're not getting a full ride, you're doing it wrong.

While I support other choices, I went to MIT all years without a full scholarship and would absolutely do it that way again.

Not all of us are brilliant enough to get into MIT.

Sadly, this is something I'm reminded of every day :(

Re: Middle-Class Families Increasingly Look to Community Colleges

#156

For me community college was the pathway to the middle class. I went to several community colleges in the Los Angeles area (due to affordability, proximity, availability of classes) and then transferred to the UC system. I had 0 support besides the Cal Grant/Pell grant and my part time job My kids will be strongly urged to go to community college, and I recommend it to everyone I'm close to. I may have missed out on…

>"I had about $13k loan debt at the end of 4 years, and I paid that off 2 years later even though it took me 9 months to land a job (because I didn't study CS and went for web development)" That's not too bad at all. Can I ask how long ago was this?

I graduated in 2012. I have acquaintances with over $60k loan debt for a bachelor's degree who graduated years before me from the UC system as well.

Re: Middle-Class Families Increasingly Look to Community Colleges

#157

For me community college was the pathway to the middle class. I went to several community colleges in the Los Angeles area (due to affordability, proximity, availability of classes) and then transferred to the UC system. I had 0 support besides the Cal Grant/Pell grant and my part time job My kids will be strongly urged to go to community college, and I recommend it to everyone I'm close to. I may have missed out on…

So for me, the college friendships that have persevered the most in to my late 30s were those made in community college. This is from 2 years spent in community college, 2 years at a 4-year, and then 2 1/2 years in an unfinished doctorate.

I can see that happening if you live at home. For me, between a job and commuting to 2 different colleges during the week and sometimes doing the Saturday classes I don't think I spent the amount of time it takes me to get close to people with anyone.

Re: Middle-Class Families Increasingly Look to Community Colleges

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> High schools may have trouble finding teachers who are qualified to teach advanced subjects One wonders about such teachers who have advanced masters degrees in education. Why are they not qualified to teach freshman college material?

Someone with a masters in education may or may not have the knowledge required for a particular subject, say a math or science. Or another way, just because someone has a masters in education doesn’t mean they can teach any specific class. Their background could be in counseling, administration, school psychology, or education methodology... not, for instance, typical high school subjects.

A degree in anything but the subjects they teach? Does that mean that a high school physics teacher knows nothing more about physics than high school physics?

Re: Middle-Class Families Increasingly Look to Community Colleges

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> a failure of leadership and resources Why is it more expensive to teach, say, calculus than algebra? Offering more advanced classes should not cost more.

> Why is it more expensive to teach, say, calculus than algebra? Because educating someone to teach more advanced subjects takes more times and resources.

But the teachers have masters degrees.

Besides, teaching college freshman calculus is not exactly magneto hydrodynamics.

Re: Middle-Class Families Increasingly Look to Community Colleges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it more expensive to teach, say, calculus than algebra? Because educating someone to teach more advanced subjects takes more times and resources.

But the teachers have masters degrees. Besides, teaching college freshman calculus is not exactly magneto hydrodynamics.

But most of them don't have masters degrees in mathematics, do they? Many of them will have a generic Master of Education degree.

The normally accepted education level for teaching a university-level class is a PhD.

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