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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by tfcata »

selectodude wrote: post #775
khedoros1 wrote: post #617

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Package management is core to the OS, not bolted on. I can change the desktop environment as I please, and potentially run different environments for different purposes, if I so choose. For any piece of software on the system, I can have a part in its development process, if I choose to. I like a non-GUI-centric system. I'm not limited to Apple's drivers, or Apple hardware in general (it's pretty and sleek, but I fin…

How is package management via apt any different than using homebrew? They're both equally "bolted on".

try 'brew install gnome-desktop' maybe?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by jernfrost »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

Strange, I have the complete reverse experience. Mac is by far the best. Windows is worst.

I use Linux at work daily but miss my mac. It is much more unstable and unpolished. The app selection is really weak and the integration between gui and console is weak although better than on windows.

Windows is an utter mess these days as Microsoft is jumping between so many different UI paradigms.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by jernfrost »

nunez wrote: post #809
sreque wrote: post #433

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I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

Couldn't agree more. Finder is garbage compared to Windows Explorer. OS hotkey navigation is much better on Windows and GNOME/KDE/Fluxbox/xmonad. (I actually miss using xmonad; it was soooo good at this.) Office applications (still very real in a lot of environments) are mostly awful on the Mac. iTerm2 is fine, but I prefer PuTTY. Starting applications by their binary name with WIN + R is better (for me) than trying…

Odd I find hotkeys much better on Mac. They follow a more logical predictable pattern and are much more standarized. E.g. what is the standard windows hotkey for getting info/properties of an object. Never found one.

Also if an app doesn’t have configuration of hotkeys you are screwed. On Mac hotkey config is OS wide.

The command console experience on windows is horrible.

Office apps are better on Mac. Pages, numbers and keynote offer me a totally superior experience. The ribbon interface on Windows is a disaster. You spend too much tome hunt around among a zillion incompethensible icons.

In fact I do GUI design at work and use MS Office as an example of how to NOT design a UI.

Not sure why you complain about Finder. You got plenty of alternatives on Mac. I use Terminal and Finder a lot in combination and they interact with each other a lot better than on Windows. E.g. does windows have an “open” command yet?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by samstave »

saagarjha wrote: post #388
samstave wrote: post #230

What I find funny is that in ~2006 I had a net eng working for me that was a die-hard Mac fan. I claimed at the time, that I would bet him that apple would start making machines with Intel chips. He LOST it and said "THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!" And thought I was a complete moron for even suggesting as such. :-)

This was public knowledge in 2005…

I may have got the year wrong. I don’t recall the year.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by dbsvsv »

uiri wrote: post #802
zarkov99 wrote: post #702

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I was with you until the "I preferred Windows" part. Windows right now is the most infuriating piece of software I can imagine for a developer. Forced upgrades? Forced advertisement? Gigantic, expensive SDKs with incomprehensible versioning and install times measured in hours, no standard library installation facilities, no standard build facilities, a default compiler that is markedly inferior to the alternatives, i…

Developers really should be using Windows Server for Windows development, particularly if the software is going to be running on Windows Server in production. That solves at least some of the issues you mentioned.

Good point. But the license cost would be too much. I don't think there's an upgrade path to server from consumer. You have any helpful tips?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by mcny »

nunez wrote: post #807
npunt wrote: post #455

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2/3s of all PR activity on Github is on a Mac, for what it's worth. Certainly the platform punches above its weight relative to market share. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/102/?time=2...

I don't trust that for two reasons: 1) There is a lot of cargo-culting around the MacBook because hurr durr Windows is terribad (though, to be fair, Docker does work better natively with OS X than Windows, even under WSL), and 2) Most companies give their developers the choice of a MacBook or the shittiest Windows machines known to man (because of irresistable volume deals from Windows OEMs). I bet the spread would b…

Satisfaction rate among surface owners is abysmal. At this point, I'd call the surface brand a failed experiment.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Strom »

danappelxx wrote: post #669
SCAQTony wrote: post #652

I am curious as to how Apple can just jump into a new complex business and be instantly pro at it without buying out a chip manufacturer who is. Will there be a learning curve? Will Apple machines circa 2020 have a bumpy road or not as fact?

Don’t they manufacture chips for their iOS line of products?

The Apple chips are manufactured by TSMC & Samsung.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by tluyben2 »

mcny wrote: post #817
nunez wrote: post #807

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I don't trust that for two reasons: 1) There is a lot of cargo-culting around the MacBook because hurr durr Windows is terribad (though, to be fair, Docker does work better natively with OS X than Windows, even under WSL), and 2) Most companies give their developers the choice of a MacBook or the shittiest Windows machines known to man (because of irresistable volume deals from Windows OEMs). I bet the spread would b…

Satisfaction rate among surface owners is abysmal. At this point, I'd call the surface brand a failed experiment.

I was going to say; most people I know brought them back for many reasons. One of my Windows fan friends had a surface book 2 and brought it back for repair because of random battery life a few times; ended up buying a Lenovo T470 (I think) instead as they kept insisting it was his fault instead of the glitchy laptop. No issues with the Lenovo ofcourse.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by joshtopher »

joezydeco wrote: post #74
uptown wrote: post #69

Tim Cook has repeatedly stated that the iPad is "the clearest expression of our vision of the future of personal computing" and Apple only sells around 4M Macs per quarter, while iOS devices dwarf this stat. If their plan is to continue moving users from desktop/laptop devices to their iOS ecosystem, and the software can be transformed to cross between both classes of devices, then it only makes sense to unify the pr…

I still expect that they'll offer devices in traditional form factors What are iOS developers supposed to develop on?

This is too optimistic but if they don't care about selling macs maybe they'll drop the requirement to develop on mac?
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