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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Pengwin »

bb88 wrote: post #576
rubyn00bie wrote: post #528

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I think that'd be a disservice to both developers and non-developers alike. It'd clutter the app store and force developers to use the app store and whatever approval process they decide. I think it would be cumbersome to say the least... * Would you have to install through the app store gui? * How would it manage dependency chains and conflicts (system ruby vs local ruby)? * How about explicit paths or build paramet…

> Would you have to install through the app store gui? Possibly or not. Ubuntu gives me both a gui and a command line option for apt. Thinking about being able to type "app-store install openssh" gives me goosebumps. > How would it manage dependency chains and conflicts (system ruby vs local ruby)? First, that example is a problem for ruby, not for the package manager. Second, software can be in the store statically…

As someone who lives on linux and has to touch OSX for things like building for iOS devices, I find it really odd that OSX doesnt just solve these problems like all the FOSS distros do. It's insanely odd that Apple gives me a bash shell which is years out of date, and it feels hacky to just use what i want. I know Propietary and free software kinda have a hard time co-existing on operating systems built on free or mostly free software, but if OSX is half free software and its posix compliant, Its hard to believe that apple couldn't give you both propietary software and an easy package system for developers easily.

The sad thing about linux is that as much as I love it and its ecosystem, i cant recommend it to anyone who wants things to "just work":

- X and wayland crash on me all the time on this laptop because of its HiDPI screen and my kinda-works-but-is-wonky fixes to work with multiple monitors.

- Hardware support is the best its ever been, but graphics cards, wifi, exotic devices, laptop power states and embedded devices can still be a pain because manufacturers simply dont care.

- desktop applications can still be a little glitchy, Web browsers work fine, as do first party DE apps, but the more you get away from things which arent in the big name gui toolkits and have custom controls and behaviour, the more problems you seem to run in.

But aside from all that im happy here in ubuntu. When your software library feels as easy as picking a book from a shelf and 90% of the system updates by the update manager and says "hey restart when you feel like it" Im quite comfortable.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Phrodo_00 »

yardie wrote: post #154
troupe wrote: post #46

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It is fairly common for newer versions of OS X to break software that worked on previous versions. If you try to use Photoshop 6 on a modern version of OS X it isn't going to work. I think this makes the chip transition less painful because no one really expects their old software to work anyway.

PS6 used the old Carbon Framework. This was developed as a stopgap to allow developers to transition off of MacOS to OSX in the early aughts. It goes to show how little respect Adobe back then had for Apple and Mac users that Apple ended up purchasing and developing Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro IP. Microsoft Office was another drag on the Carbon library. They also chose to keep their applications in the old format eve…

Not really an excuse when Windows 10 can run most Windows NT4.0 software, can get to run win3.1 and dos apps (which are different OS, not just older versions).

Userspace GNU/Linux is also pretty bad about this, despite the effort put in by Linux.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by threeseed »

yellow_postit wrote: post #551
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> My last couple of jobs have given me no choice aside from a MBP and OS X. They do this because they don't want to manage multiple kinds of machines from an IT perspective. Not that many years ago that was the same reason IT departments would give for only giving people Windows machines.

Apple shot themselves in the foot for this market with the touch bar. It adds such a small amount of utility for annoying every VIM user.

> It adds such a small amount of utility for annoying every VIM user.

You have to love Emacs and Vim users.

Quite sure Apple's world doesn't revolve around the needs of such a small user base.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by thetinguy »

tylerjwilk00 wrote: post #670
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I, too, used to love tinkering with Linux. I would compile my own kernels, hack drivers and fix bugs to make it run better on the hardware I chose to buy. I wanted everything to be just so. Then, I realized that I have more money than time. I can choose Apple hardware, and run OS X (now macOS), trouble free. The only time I patched my Linux kernel was when some piece of hardware didn't work. Now, I simply choose hard…

Wait! What! Virtual Desktops "Spaces" are gone in OSX?

No theyre still there. https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25574?locale=en_US

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by FractalLP »

blacklight wrote: post #560

I personally hate close fences with no rooms for customization, and many computer scientists are on the same wavelength. Windows is an awful choice for software development, a job that usually requires a lot of interaction with Unix servers. Microsoft's recent crush for Linux and open source can't fix many years of closed standards, closed protocols, and Embrace-Extend-Exterminate evil culture. And MacOS, even though…

Check out system76 and Dell's Linux offerings. Both great.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by zodiac »

blacklight wrote: post #560

I personally hate close fences with no rooms for customization, and many computer scientists are on the same wavelength. Windows is an awful choice for software development, a job that usually requires a lot of interaction with Unix servers. Microsoft's recent crush for Linux and open source can't fix many years of closed standards, closed protocols, and Embrace-Extend-Exterminate evil culture. And MacOS, even though…

> Linux distros are by far the best environment for a computer scientists

I feel like this is a wide enough class that you shouldn't speak for all of us. I spent years on Ubuntu and a bit in centos and then macOS and prefer the macOS UI over both gnome and awesomeWM and brew over apt and yum. For reference I use laptops and spend most of my time on the web, in git, various programming languages, and of course writing latex.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by SCAQTony »

danappelxx wrote: post #669
SCAQTony wrote: post #652

I am curious as to how Apple can just jump into a new complex business and be instantly pro at it without buying out a chip manufacturer who is. Will there be a learning curve? Will Apple machines circa 2020 have a bumpy road or not as fact?

Don’t they manufacture chips for their iOS line of products?

I can find no evidence that Apple manufactures chips of any kind.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by zarkov99 »

dkonofalski wrote: post #672
zarkov99 wrote: post #655

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Yes. And it just works. Gnome is not at MacOS levels of polishing but you get a proper dev machine instead of a pretty SSH terminal into your real dev machine.

What are you talking about? MacOS is a certified Unix variant and it has everything you need to do local dev on it.

For server side software the deployment environment is overwhelmingly Linux making Linux also the most straightforward choice for the development environment. Its not a slight on MacOS, its tooling might be just as wonderful as the Linux one for deploying on MacOS.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by promeus »

Finally. I was a hardcore apple fan. I believed in well thought design and optimized software. But after Jobs this company is pissing me off constantly. Stupid iWatch is device without real use case (but it was a reason iPhone to look like every other smartphone), ditching the skeuomorphic interface for flat stupidity (instead of simplifying and cleaning it), mac mini fiasco (great idea, left in the dust), mac book air (best laptop form factor, still with low quality TN display), killing of Final Cut Studio (the most comprehensive audio/video suite ever) and dumbing down the software (my friends still use Old versions of Final Cut), no Mac Pro (iMac pro is not a professional system), ditching the core user base (the reason of existence in the first place). Finally this year after staring down in disbelief at iPhone X (o god face id is the new norm) for the first time i started looking in other alternatives in smartphone market. The only device that i still cannot replace is my iPad Air 2 (media consumption and good battery life) but is questionable. This is the last drop.For me Apple is gone. It was a good ride Steve. Now its time to ditch the bandwagon, and say hello to my old Penguin friend. To all developers in the world: Start making top notch software for linux. Make it expensive and reliable. Start with Photoshop. Than Illustrator. Than Video editing and DAW systems. The hipsters like me who from years are paying for apple GUI design (now non existent in good quality and fading away every day) are ready to pay. Go find yourself The old Apple (Snow Leopard) HIG and start your engines. Big Money is coming in your face, because professional designers, videographers, composers, architects, etc. are really pissed off :)
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