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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by freehunter »

merb wrote: post #630
freehunter wrote: post #612

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Here's the problem with saying "this is better for computer scientists": It's the same argument every time someone says "the Macbook Pro is not a professional device". Not every computer scientist has the same needs. There are a lot of CS folks who will never need to recompile a kernel or even get into the OS internals. For those people, having to do that is a major downside to any computer. So the obvious choice is…

the biggest problem with macs is not the software/openness. the biggest problem is the price. the older models might have had a justifiable price, however the new 15" models with a touch-whatever, costs way more and have less value. they actually even replaced the SD slot, which probably a lot of professional artists needed (or at least used). I used it to extend my harddrive with a 256gb extension card If I would ne…

>they actually even replaced the SD slot

Isn't this the same argument people used when the Mac ditched the floppy, and then again when they ditched the CD-ROM drive?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by fooker »

bb88 wrote: post #637
fooker wrote: post #608

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>On linux it's always ctrl. Unless you want to copy from the terminal, where it is ctrl + shift + C.

I highlight the text and middle mouse button for paste.

And on a Mac, you do Cmd+C. Neither maintains uniformity.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by scarface74 »

I've read through a lot of the comments, but no one asked the question - why would Apple invest the R&D resources to create and support ARM based Macs when Macs are such a small part of their revenue and profits? Would they make more money by selling ARM based Macs?

Why not just add capabilities to iOS and make an iOS laptop? The only thing I see missing is true multi-user support (not the hack they do in the education market) and pointer support.

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Post by zarkov99 »

metafunctor wrote: post #604
blacklight wrote: post #560

I personally hate close fences with no rooms for customization, and many computer scientists are on the same wavelength. Windows is an awful choice for software development, a job that usually requires a lot of interaction with Unix servers. Microsoft's recent crush for Linux and open source can't fix many years of closed standards, closed protocols, and Embrace-Extend-Exterminate evil culture. And MacOS, even though…

I, too, used to love tinkering with Linux. I would compile my own kernels, hack drivers and fix bugs to make it run better on the hardware I chose to buy. I wanted everything to be just so. Then, I realized that I have more money than time. I can choose Apple hardware, and run OS X (now macOS), trouble free. The only time I patched my Linux kernel was when some piece of hardware didn't work. Now, I simply choose hard…

Yes. And it just works. Gnome is not at MacOS levels of polishing but you get a proper dev machine instead of a pretty SSH terminal into your real dev machine.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Corrado »

bwat49 wrote: post #624
freehunter wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the problem with saying "this is better for computer scientists": It's the same argument every time someone says "the Macbook Pro is not a professional device". Not every computer scientist has the same needs. There are a lot of CS folks who will never need to recompile a kernel or even get into the OS internals. For those people, having to do that is a major downside to any computer. So the obvious choice is…

> and it's not going to work if I'm copying and pasting kernel code from Stack Overflow to get my trackpad to scroll the correct direction When was the last time you used a linux desktop, 2005? On any linux desktop I can think of (MATE, Gnome, KDE) this is a matter of going to Settings | Mouse & Touchpad | check or un-check the natural scrolling box as desired

Actually, I just installed the latest lUbuntu and am having this exact problem. The preferences don't have a way to select natural scrolling and I've been "fighting" with it for a couple of days now, changing mysterious values in config files and restarting X. Then when I think I have it figured out a system update happens and it resets back to the original scrolling.

This is the real value of macOS. I agree that I liked it better when it was more Unix and less Apple unix-like but it's still better than fighting with your Linux config on a x86 machine.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by alerighi »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I have a mac, it's a great piece of hardware, and it works great for doing basic stuff, surfing the web, responding to emails, writing documents, but for my work I find Linux so much simpler to use.

Linux just works, sure it's isn't pretty like macOS but it let you get your work done fast, I know perfectly how everything is put toughener, there is a problem surely I can fix it in seconds, just edit some config file and done, it has far more tools for developers, if you need to install software you have the package manager, sure on macOS you have brew but it have some problems, and a lot of developer tools either don't work on macOS, or doesn't work correctly, or are similar but not the same as Linux.

In fact on my mac most of the times or I works with remote servers or with VMs on my computer, because for development work Linux it's far better.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by amelius »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

We should all not forget that if IBM, in the 80s, controlled its hardware and software stack like Apple does now, we would not have the modular desktop PC and we would not have Linux.

I consider the extreme vertical integration of Apple as a bad development (Apple recently is trying to control even rare Earth metals). I like the market to be "modular", with many different vendors, making replaceable parts that fit together like in the desktop PC. And I wish for a future where I still have a choice, instead of being forced to use iDevices for everything from scientific computing to consumer media players.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by Corrado »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #253
egypturnash wrote: post #239

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Apple has done this twice already. 680x0 to PowerPC, then PowerPC to Intel. Adobe's come along on both of these.

Those changes were all to more powerful processors such that emulating the old architecture wouldn't be that bad. In this instance, Apple would likely be going to a less powerful processors and thus emulation at any reasonable level of performance wouldn't be that viable.

I'm envisioning a Mac with multiple Ann chips in it. Why stop at 1 when you could put 8 or 14 Ann chips in it?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by bwat49 »

randallsquared wrote: post #640
bwat49 wrote: post #624

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> and it's not going to work if I'm copying and pasting kernel code from Stack Overflow to get my trackpad to scroll the correct direction When was the last time you used a linux desktop, 2005? On any linux desktop I can think of (MATE, Gnome, KDE) this is a matter of going to Settings | Mouse & Touchpad | check or un-check the natural scrolling box as desired

In my experience, having the setting doesn’t make it work. Oh, it works some of the time. In order to make it work MOST of the time, you’ll need to change it in more than one place, at least in X11. And Wayland doesn’t play nice with nvidia, yet. (Not implying who is at fault).

I've never had to change it in more than one place on my xps 13
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