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Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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You mean they follow what many people consider best practices? https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/1592... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/820466/never-delete-entr... https://serverfault.com/questions/31455/should-i-ever-delete... https://www.infoq.com/news/2009/09/Do-Not-Delete-Data http://udidahan.com/2009/09/01/dont-delete-just-dont/ https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2549839/are-soft-dele…

"best practices" is for developers. For the average Joe and Janet out there, "deleting" something is synonymous to "remove from the internet for eternity"

>"remove from the internet for eternity" lol, internet never forgets. Everybody seems to have an ilusion of control over digital data shared with others or uploaded to the internet.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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post #200

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You accept that when you join.

Users didn't accept anything just because they checked a checkbox next to a link to an ever-changing jumble of legalese to get past a screen. This isn't agreement, it's manufactured consent.

Unfortunately no matter how many times you say this or how much you wish it were true, US (at least) courts have disagreed with you by enforcing contracts of adhesion.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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This reminds me of the long conversations that I used to have with family members and friends several years ago. With their continuous requests to create my own Facebook profile so I can keep in contact with them and with their activities as well as to share my whereabouts. I always used the same argument to reject these suggestions — "I don't want Facebook to have too much data about me, more than the data that you…

Unfortunately there will be no prizes for having been right all along. Even now, as facebook is burning, statements of how one has quit or will be quitting facebook get swept into the pile of incendiary indignation, with encouragement from all sides. But never having used facebook, even at significant personal effort as you indicate, one is relegated from "elitist" before to "smug" now. One day in the future a recrui…

> Unfortunately there will be no prizes for having been right all along.

Except not having your racy pictures in Facebook's media archive.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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post #173

You mean they follow what many people consider best practices? https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/1592... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/820466/never-delete-entr... https://serverfault.com/questions/31455/should-i-ever-delete... https://www.infoq.com/news/2009/09/Do-Not-Delete-Data http://udidahan.com/2009/09/01/dont-delete-just-dont/ https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2549839/are-soft-dele…

Disclaimer: I deleted my Facebook account a couple years ago and never looked back. That said, Facebook is who is just getting collectively stabbed with the pitchfork right now. Engineering best practices are one thing. My right to privacy is another. As an engineer I care about efficiency. As a human I care about privacy. My rights win over any technocratic babble. Sorry if I am being harsh. I am, of course not surp…

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Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Facebook's terms of services agreement that you must consent to in order to open or maintain your account. These are the rules not because Facebook says so, but because you say so when you agree to their terms.

Let's be clear here: I'm not the Facebook user in question. I've never uploaded a video to Facebook and never will. Users didn't sign or agree to anything just because they checked a checkbox next to a link to an ever-changing jumble of legalese to get past a screen. This isn't agreement, it's manufactured consent.

> Users didn't sign or agree to anything just because they checked a checkbox next to a link to an ever-changing jumble of legalese to get past a screen. This isn't agreement, it's manufactured consent.

What is the difference? I am thinking if a person really actually cared they would have read the legal agreement before checking the checkbox in question and possibly consulted an attorney of their own. I am thinking most users absolutely do not care and agree out-right and immediately to all claims presented by Facebook. How is that not still agreement?

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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The funniest part of it: All the media hype around the topic is generated... BY DATA collected by NYT/Bloomberg/Techcrunch/you name it. Those articles generate additional views and they just continue to ride this wave. And all those publications share this data with 3rd parties (ad networks, analytics providers, cpa networks)

On top of that, you know what else do they measure? SENTIMENT. So until kicking Facebook generates more revenue - the articles will paint Facebook as a world's main evil. But the day sentiment changes you will see all the articles about Facebook following best practices.

And in the end? Some EU commission will be created and make a law which oblige to "show cookie usage disclaimer", because of which 90% of sites welcome you with ugly popup and ruin the experience providing 0% advantage in managing your privacy...

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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The funniest part of it: All the media hype around the topic is generated... BY DATA collected by NYT/Bloomberg/Techcrunch/you name it. Those articles generate additional views and they just continue to ride this wave. And all those publications share this data with 3rd parties (ad networks, analytics providers, cpa networks) On top of that, you know what else do they measure? SENTIMENT. So until kicking Facebook gen…

> On top of that, you know what else do they measure? SENTIMENT. So until kicking Facebook generates more revenue - the articles will paint Facebook as a world's main evil. But the day sentiment changes you will see all the articles about Facebook following best practices.

So what you're saying is that sites like nymag will only run stories that are profitable?

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Fucking stupid policy - so they have 90 days to off load your shit to Utah/gov-cloud before they “delete” your data? Who can possibly believe this BS. Imagine you wanted to delete data of your own Sustem - but when you hit rm it takes 90 days to execute - this sentiment PISSES me off. When I say “delete me from your service now” I have a reasonable expectation that you will delete it. C’mon

It's interesting that you think they need those 90 days to off load your data. As if they hadn't done so before your deletion. By the way, rm does work like that. The file will just be marked as deleted (by removing its entry from the filesystem index), but will remain on your disk for some time afterwards, from some minutes to months. If you want to ensure deletion, you should be using shred.

“Rm doesn’t work like that, so clearly it’s ok that Facebook takes 90 days to delete your data after you make the request”

Utter horse crap

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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This reminds me of the long conversations that I used to have with family members and friends several years ago. With their continuous requests to create my own Facebook profile so I can keep in contact with them and with their activities as well as to share my whereabouts. I always used the same argument to reject these suggestions — "I don't want Facebook to have too much data about me, more than the data that you…

Unfortunately there will be no prizes for having been right all along. Even now, as facebook is burning, statements of how one has quit or will be quitting facebook get swept into the pile of incendiary indignation, with encouragement from all sides. But never having used facebook, even at significant personal effort as you indicate, one is relegated from "elitist" before to "smug" now. One day in the future a recrui…

What about the option where people return to messaging applications for private matters and keep a Tweetbookdin for public persona ?

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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The funniest part of it: All the media hype around the topic is generated... BY DATA collected by NYT/Bloomberg/Techcrunch/you name it. Those articles generate additional views and they just continue to ride this wave. And all those publications share this data with 3rd parties (ad networks, analytics providers, cpa networks) On top of that, you know what else do they measure? SENTIMENT. So until kicking Facebook gen…

> On top of that, you know what else do they measure? SENTIMENT. So until kicking Facebook generates more revenue - the articles will paint Facebook as a world's main evil. But the day sentiment changes you will see all the articles about Facebook following best practices. So what you're saying is that sites like nymag will only run stories that are profitable?

Kind of. When everyone is writing articles AGAINST Facebook, it will be very hard to 'sell' article which SUPPORTS Facebook to the editor (because of the potential PR nightmare when potential 4chan starts attacking you)

Article can't go through editor -> article is not published

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