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Re: Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location

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Post by sschueller »

Animats wrote: post #150
antirez wrote: post #61

"Our data shows that Tesla owners have driven this same stretch of highway with Autopilot engaged roughly 85,000 times since Autopilot was first rolled out in 2015. ... There are over 200 successful Autopilot trips per day on this exact stretch of road." Who wrote this statement does not understand software. If there is some kind of Heisenbug, those numbers are too small to prove that the software is ok, and actually…

Misaligned sensor?

In such a case there needs to be a fail safe that can determine that and disable auto pilot until it is fixed.

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Post by jobigoud »

shawn wrote: post #62
antirez wrote: post #61

"Our data shows that Tesla owners have driven this same stretch of highway with Autopilot engaged roughly 85,000 times since Autopilot was first rolled out in 2015. ... There are over 200 successful Autopilot trips per day on this exact stretch of road." Who wrote this statement does not understand software. If there is some kind of Heisenbug, those numbers are too small to prove that the software is ok, and actually…

Heisenbugs in AI are also interesting. As computers approach sentience, it will become progressively harder to explain their behavior. Why did you eat a bagel instead of eggs this morning? Usually there isn't a scientific answer. In the present, AI models are already so complicated that it seems hard to get reproducible diagnostic results, short of just saving every frame of data that the car's sensors pick up. And f…

We also see this in unexplainable flash crashes from high speed trading softwares gone bersek. The speed at which they handle data is so immense than going through the logs of a few seconds around the issue could take several years of human time.

Re: Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location

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Post by jobigoud »

azinman2 wrote: post #209
baddox wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think that humans are not just even more accurate versions of the same types of classifiers?

Because we integrate, learn, plan, abstract, create, have way more senses, complex memory, societal and cultural embeddings, and a whole host of things that make us human. A text box on hacker news is not the place for such a reply. Go take some cognitive science, neuroscience, anthropology, sociology, psychology, and philosophy classes and you’ll see why. “AI” as we know it is a joke, particularly as media has hyped…

This is way more than what's required for sentience though. Sentience is having a notion of self, many animals are sentient.

Maybe you meant sapience or intelligence, but I wonder if people think computers won't be sentient (as in self aware) in our lifetime, even if they are still not able to match human cognition.

Re: Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location

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Post by heisenbit »

anonytrary wrote: post #155

I can't believe this person kept using it. If I had noticed a bug in auto-pilot and complained about it, I would be way too scared to ever use auto-pilot again. Personally, I never use auto-pilot because driving is piss easy, as it's designed to be. Perfect self-driving cars is a nearly impossible feat to accomplish in an unbounded track. I can only imagine automated driving in a system which has no room for error. E…

And even when continuing to use it in general, use it where it acted up several times? Why were the hands not on the wheel and the driver extra careful here?

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Post by sschueller »

jijojv wrote: post #129
gowld wrote: post #125

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Whoa whoa whoa, "auto-pilot" is NOT self-driving. Tesla goes to great pains to make auto-pilot sound like self-driving while still stringently claiming that it requires constant supervision, like an airplane auto-pilot.

They scam people into buying Tesla thinking their version is close to self-driving right here https://www.tesla.com/autopilot . Reality is that since Oct'16 is that it's nothing more than a glorified adaptive cruise control found on many common cars. Update: Since Oct'16 self-driving software is an add-on option and Musk has been tweeting[1] since Jan'17 that it's just months away and that its autopilot is somehow sa…

It is this reckless marketing. 'Bio defense system', are we meant to believe the Tesla's air conditioning will keep out vx gas?

By doing this they are in my opinion sabotaging the invoations they are actually making.

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Post by mrep »

eanzenberg wrote: post #236
tempestn wrote: post #219

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Tesla's current autopilots are pretty far off, but I think Waymo and possibly others are much closer.

Nah, still 30 years away. My guess is aligned with the OP.

Waymo is already running fully autonomous cars in Arizona without backup drivers.

It may take 30 years to handle blizzards and every edge case but you can just park the car to avoid those problems temporarily while still serving 99% of the market so they don't need to be solved now.

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Post by herbst »

gomox wrote: post #86
erk__ wrote: post #59

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But even then you can get to paris pretty fast. I have had similar problems where I had to go to Karlsruhe from Flensburg to get a train to paris, as that was the fastest route.

To be fair that's not really a reasonable train trip for people that want to actually get there as opposed to riding a train. Probably above 9 hours compared to a sub-2h flight. Train routes that are more meaningful tend to be better serviced.

I regularly take a train that takes 6.5 hours. The flight would be 45 minutes.

Getting to, into and away from the airport easily ads another 2 hours tho. Also this route has 3 flights a week compared to a train every 2 hours.

With the train I just get in and enjoy nice service, free power and WiFi and usually get some work done.

Not to mention the difference in my ecological footprint.

My point is that it's not like you are wasting time in a uncomfortable environment usually. So I dont mind taking the train, actually usually even prefer it, so do millions of people all over the world.

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Post by dotsh »

Why no one talks about other victims of car accidents and their is about 6k per month on average in US alone. But Uber and Tesla are on headlines when someone dies and there is like what 3-4 victims in total after all those years? It is not even worth mentioning.

Re: Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location

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Post by randomblob »

dotsh wrote: post #289

Why no one talks about other victims of car accidents and their is about 6k per month on average in US alone. But Uber and Tesla are on headlines when someone dies and there is like what 3-4 victims in total after all those years? It is not even worth mentioning.

I'd argue it is worth mentioning.

People (rightfully) expect "Autopilot" systems to be perfect. Perfect meaning no fatal crashes, leading to passenger deaths.

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