Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location

Post by azinman2 » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 12:35 AM UTC

shawn wrote: post #62

antirez wrote: post #61

"Our data shows that Tesla owners have driven this same stretch of highway with Autopilot engaged roughly 85,000 times since Autopilot was first rolled out in 2015. ... There are over 200 successful Autopilot trips per day on this exact stretch of road." Who wrote this statement does not understand software. If there is some kind of Heisenbug, those numbers are too small to prove that the software is ok, and actually…

Heisenbugs in AI are also interesting. As computers approach sentience, it will become progressively harder to explain their behavior. Why did you eat a bagel instead of eggs this morning? Usually there isn't a scientific answer. In the present, AI models are already so complicated that it seems hard to get reproducible diagnostic results, short of just saving every frame of data that the car's sensors pick up. And f…

Post by baddox » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 12:40 AM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #141

shawn wrote: post #62

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Heisenbugs in AI are also interesting. As computers approach sentience, it will become progressively harder to explain their behavior. Why did you eat a bagel instead of eggs this morning? Usually there isn't a scientific answer. In the present, AI models are already so complicated that it seems hard to get reproducible diagnostic results, short of just saving every frame of data that the car's sensors pick up. And f…

Id be willing to take a 1k bet that computers won’t approach sentience in our lifetime. Don’t believe the AI hype train, there hasn’t been a real breakthrough. Just more accurate versions of the same (dumb) classifiers.

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 12:47 AM UTC

asdsa5325 wrote: post #11

debt wrote: post #6

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"The operator of a vehicle is responsible for operating it." But he wasn't operating it.

But he should have been. Tesla's cars are not self-driving. The automated driving features are supposed to assist the driver, not replace.

Post by skybrian » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 12:48 AM UTC

antirez wrote: post #61

"Our data shows that Tesla owners have driven this same stretch of highway with Autopilot engaged roughly 85,000 times since Autopilot was first rolled out in 2015. ... There are over 200 successful Autopilot trips per day on this exact stretch of road." Who wrote this statement does not understand software. If there is some kind of Heisenbug, those numbers are too small to prove that the software is ok, and actually…

Post by baddox » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 12:53 AM UTC

greedo wrote: post #115

veemjeem wrote: post #79

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If a plane crashes, the survival rate is pretty low. Most likely everyone on the plane is dead. People get into car accidents often enough to feel that crashing one's car rarely leads to death. Walter probably felt safe enough to use autopilot knowing that if the car crashed, he could still walk away from it.

Completely untrue. The survival rate for plane crashes is extremely high.[1] 1. https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NTSB_releases...