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Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by adventured »

chillwaves wrote: post #48
pavlov wrote: post #32

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You'd be surprised by how many people think their First Amendment rights are trampled on by Twitter/Facebook/Google...

People calling it censorship yesterday (on this forum) don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

Censorship becomes an interesting tag, plausibly accurate, if the US Government regulates platforms further to such a degree that they make competing with them a lot more difficult, due to compliance cost & risk. That is, if the government effectively protects & entreches the existing giant platforms through regulatory action. Then these entities become something a lot closer to regulated broadcast platforms akin to radio or TV with ABC, NBC, etc. before the advent of expanded media thanks to the Internet.

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Post by 1787 »

scrub_tier wrote: post #35
madengr wrote: post #28

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Hunting parks? Isn’t that like a canned trophy shoot? I’ll be satisfied when I can buy a full auto, short barrel, suppressed, 51 caliber, via anonymous mail order, and paid with crypto currency.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country? I'm taking a chance here on hacker news with what might have been a troll comment, but please accept my sincere honest intent to understand your po…

Speaking of established case law, we have from the very first page of Heller [1]:

> The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia... [2]

The Constitution encodes a value judgement about the rights it protects; these rights are presumed to be protected unless it can be shown why they aren't in some specific case. That is to say, to ask someone "how [their] right contribute[s] to the security of the state" is wrongheaded - if you wish to deprive them of their right you must first meet strict scrutiny.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

[2] https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

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Post by qubex »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #41
prepend wrote: post #22

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Fortuneately we have a distributed network of computers all over the world. With the rise of home fiber and raspberry pi type cheap boxes we can do it with data local and software free. I’m not sure what the business model is. I’m looking to porn and privacy for early examples. This worked for the Internet. AOL chat/porn was a huge use case for early chat/messaging. Music piracy and video piracy before Netflix/Apple…

It’s funny that you say that. 20 years ago nobody had a problem running their personal website or FTP server on an ISDN line into their garage. Today I have 100Mb fiber to my house. I’m pretty sure that’s enough to handle a personal video website for somebody with a modest following. Yet we live on these massive centralized platforms.

Yes... I'd always been the type of person that ran some kind of server with network services in a DMZ on my home network. Of late I dismantled everything because it just isn’t worth the (perceived) hassle anymore. Most of all, cloud services and so forth have made us lazy.

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Post by zingmars »

vinniejames wrote: post #45
ryanmarsh wrote: post #41

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It’s funny that you say that. 20 years ago nobody had a problem running their personal website or FTP server on an ISDN line into their garage. Today I have 100Mb fiber to my house. I’m pretty sure that’s enough to handle a personal video website for somebody with a modest following. Yet we live on these massive centralized platforms.

Check out Plex

I'm not sure Plex would be a good option for sharing stuff with others. And on that note how many people actually have static IPs these days that allows them to easily host services like that? As the IP shortage worsens expect more carrier grade NATs to pop up.

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Post by che_shirecat »

girvo wrote: post #52
chillwaves wrote: post #48

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People calling it censorship yesterday (on this forum) don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

I think that’s kind of ignoring the outsized impact these huge companies have on our lives.

Youtube holds a pretty dominating market share of video sharing but there are 10+ other relatively large sites that you could host the content in question on. There's a difference between access and an audience - youtube shouldn't be obligated to give an audience to content they don't like. People are free to migrate to other platforms (case in point - phub) if they so choose.

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Post by zingmars »

4gotmyaccount10 wrote: post #43
ironjunkie wrote: post #21

I think the news from the last couple days, make it clear that the next step is to MOVE OUT of all those platforms. History is repeating. As soon as they got enough power, they use it to exercise their own view of the world, deleting data//videos they don't like or reselling it to 3rd parties. We need to come up with a better solution for non-technical users to post content outside those platforms.

I'm looking forward to IPFS https://www.ipfs.com/

You got the TLD wrong. It's https://ipfs.io/

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Post by vortico »

chillwaves wrote: post #48
pavlov wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised by how many people think their First Amendment rights are trampled on by Twitter/Facebook/Google...

People calling it censorship yesterday (on this forum) don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

Censorship is the correct term for any organization restricting content. E.g. a parent restricting a child's TV is censorship. The First Ammendment only deals with censorship by the US Government.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

1787 wrote: post #62
scrub_tier wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country? I'm taking a chance here on hacker news with what might have been a troll comment, but please accept my sincere honest intent to understand your po…

Speaking of established case law, we have from the very first page of Heller [1]: > The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia... [2] The Constitution encodes a value judgement about the rights it protects; these rights are presumed to be protected unless it can be shown why they aren't in some specific case. That is to say, to ask someone "how [their]…

If we actually had a Swiss-style militia system, the constitution would be completely unambiguous. Instead, the pro-gun interpretation of the 2nd amendment is that it’s first clause is completely meaningless. I’m not sure how they resolve that kind of “being literal only when convenient” hypocrisy in their heads.

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Post by weego »

clarkmoody wrote: post #57
pizza234 wrote: post #50

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I'm not sure that it's an area where YT is failing, as this subject has no winning scenario. If they put restrictions on a sensitive subject, a part of the population is going to complain; if they don't, the other part will. If they wouldn't put those restrictions, in the light of the current gun-related events, they'll just expose themselves to a string of lawsuits. I think this is implicit in content providers with…

The thing about the gun-related stuff is that it's 99% perfectly legal (yes, there are videos about illegal mods, but those were not specifically targeted). I don't think they're worried about lawsuits. This is all about political optics.

I think it's also about those channels not being suitable to advertise on / having a bad demographic to advertise to and them being funded by patreons or private shop backers advertising in-video. YT gets very little revenue from that even though they are high-volume channels so it's just a pure cost cutting exercise.

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Post by mastax »

Navarr wrote: post #39
cabalamat wrote: post #9

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> I do enjoy videos showing safe gun care or historic guns I like Forgotten Weapons. It has serious historical information, and I will be pissed off if Google deletes it. It seems to be that the principle behind net neutrality -- that of a common carrier -- shouldn't just apply to the ip layer, but should also sometimes apply to higher levels of the technology stack, especially when a provider has a large market shar…

Did anyone read the article to see what types of videos Google is taking action against? > YouTube will ban videos that offer instructions on how to make firearms and accessories such as silencers and bump stocks. It will prohibit content in which firearms and accessories are sold, both directly and through other websites. Videos on how to install firearms modifications will also be barred. > While we've long prohibi…

In addition to en4bz' point Forgotten Weapons almost always disassembles the gun being discussed to show how it works. This could be construed as showing 'how to make guns'. They may be technically allowed, but try convincing an algorithm or non-expert poorly-paid censor that.
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