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Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by DennisP »

pavlov wrote: post #25

It's about time people realize that platforms like YouTube are private publishers. They have full discretion to remove or editorialize content, and there's no expectation of free speech. Expecting YouTube to keep hosting something because of First Amendment rights is as absurd as expecting a printing press to print your pamphlets for free.

Yes, and we have full discretion to decide we don't like them anymore if they do that. I don't think many people believe YouTube could be sued for First Amendment violation.

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Post by pavlov »

DennisP wrote: post #31
pavlov wrote: post #25

It's about time people realize that platforms like YouTube are private publishers. They have full discretion to remove or editorialize content, and there's no expectation of free speech. Expecting YouTube to keep hosting something because of First Amendment rights is as absurd as expecting a printing press to print your pamphlets for free.

Yes, and we have full discretion to decide we don't like them anymore if they do that. I don't think many people believe YouTube could be sued for First Amendment violation.

You'd be surprised by how many people think their First Amendment rights are trampled on by Twitter/Facebook/Google...

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by giancarlostoro »

So will PornHub rebrand as "FreedomHub" or something or launch a similar site for those running away from YouTube for censorship issues? Now's the shot for someone to really compete with YouTube in an area where they seem to be failing.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by aje403 »

DennisP wrote: post #31
pavlov wrote: post #25

It's about time people realize that platforms like YouTube are private publishers. They have full discretion to remove or editorialize content, and there's no expectation of free speech. Expecting YouTube to keep hosting something because of First Amendment rights is as absurd as expecting a printing press to print your pamphlets for free.

Yes, and we have full discretion to decide we don't like them anymore if they do that. I don't think many people believe YouTube could be sued for First Amendment violation.

Never underestimate the ability of an idiot on the internet spouting a first amendment argument getting upvoted to the moon and beyond

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by scrub_tier »

madengr wrote: post #28
jacknews wrote: post #27

Although I'm a firm believer that guns should be illegal to possess outside of licensed shooting ranges, hunting parks, etc, I think enthusiast videos about guns are completely acceptable. This does smack of Orwell, and it's not only gun culture that appears to be being targeted recently. I'm also not a conspiratorialist, but it does seem to me there's a concerted effort behind the scenes to "crack down" on free expr…

Hunting parks? Isn’t that like a canned trophy shoot? I’ll be satisfied when I can buy a full auto, short barrel, suppressed, 51 caliber, via anonymous mail order, and paid with crypto currency.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country? I'm taking a chance here on hacker news with what might have been a troll comment, but please accept my sincere honest intent to understand your point of view.

How does a suppressed destructive device on an unregulated currency exchange make our society better?

How does your right contribute to the security of the state?

How did you come to believe you needed this capability?

At the risk of appealing to authority, we have established case law in all of our rights which to a reasonable extent remove the protection of our rights for the benefit of the community. We aren't allowed to have indentured servitude, but we legally have the draft in times of crisis. We have the freedom to speak and share our world views, but I cannot yell "fire" in the movie theater lest I risk my own imprisonment for endangering the lives of others.

Why should the second amendment be treated with any less discretion?

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by jacknews »

mulletbum wrote: post #30
jacknews wrote: post #27

Although I'm a firm believer that guns should be illegal to possess outside of licensed shooting ranges, hunting parks, etc, I think enthusiast videos about guns are completely acceptable. This does smack of Orwell, and it's not only gun culture that appears to be being targeted recently. I'm also not a conspiratorialist, but it does seem to me there's a concerted effort behind the scenes to "crack down" on free expr…

Why do you feel YouTube has to support "free expression?"

I'm not saying it does, just that it clearly isn't, and it seems to be not alone in the kinds of expression it's choosing to suppress.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by 1337biz »

dkns wrote: post #3

Why pornhub and not vimeo or dailymotion?

Because you expect porn hosters to have a higher tolerance against those who want to pressure companies into their ideological paradigms.

In the end porn hosts might be the savest haven for controversial content as they have become used to creating revenue models independent from image conscious clients.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by jacknews »

madengr wrote: post #28
jacknews wrote: post #27

Although I'm a firm believer that guns should be illegal to possess outside of licensed shooting ranges, hunting parks, etc, I think enthusiast videos about guns are completely acceptable. This does smack of Orwell, and it's not only gun culture that appears to be being targeted recently. I'm also not a conspiratorialist, but it does seem to me there's a concerted effort behind the scenes to "crack down" on free expr…

Hunting parks? Isn’t that like a canned trophy shoot? I’ll be satisfied when I can buy a full auto, short barrel, suppressed, 51 caliber, via anonymous mail order, and paid with crypto currency.

Hunting parks as in designated/licensed areas where you can hunt with guns. Not Manhattan, for example.

Full auto etc, for what purpose?

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Post by Navarr »

cabalamat wrote: post #9
zaarn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SESTA/FOSTA and (probably) CLOUD act. I severely doubt this is because of politics on guns, I'm not a pro-gun enthusiast but I do enjoy videos showing safe gun care or historic guns (or just the slingshot channel). Reddit and Youtube have both removed the same kind of content from their platform, this is not limited to gun enthusiasts but also includes various other content. People like Cody, who runs Cody's Lab, hav…

> I do enjoy videos showing safe gun care or historic guns I like Forgotten Weapons. It has serious historical information, and I will be pissed off if Google deletes it. It seems to be that the principle behind net neutrality -- that of a common carrier -- shouldn't just apply to the ip layer, but should also sometimes apply to higher levels of the technology stack, especially when a provider has a large market shar…

Did anyone read the article to see what types of videos Google is taking action against?

> YouTube will ban videos that offer instructions on how to make firearms and accessories such as silencers and bump stocks. It will prohibit content in which firearms and accessories are sold, both directly and through other websites. Videos on how to install firearms modifications will also be barred.

> While we've long prohibited the sale of firearms, we recently notified creators of updates we will be making around content promoting the sale or manufacture of firearms and their accessories, specifically, items like ammunition, gatling triggers, and drop-in auto sears.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by tzs »

cezar2 wrote: post #19

It's really chilling to see these platforms, within a matter of months, go from shouting from the rooftops to promote net neutrality, to censoring and editorializing legal content.

How so? Net neutrality concerns ISPs not interfering with legal content. It has nothing whatsoever to say about or do with what content sites that host or provide content chose to host or provide.

Transportation provides a good analogy. Net neutrality is about the roads, not about what goods and services the places you drive to on those roads do and do not offer.

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