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Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by bad_user » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:21 PM UTC

prepend wrote: post #22

ironjunkie wrote: post #21

I think the news from the last couple days, make it clear that the next step is to MOVE OUT of all those platforms. History is repeating. As soon as they got enough power, they use it to exercise their own view of the world, deleting data//videos they don't like or reselling it to 3rd parties. We need to come up with a better solution for non-technical users to post content outside those platforms.

Fortuneately we have a distributed network of computers all over the world. With the rise of home fiber and raspberry pi type cheap boxes we can do it with data local and software free. I’m not sure what the business model is. I’m looking to porn and privacy for early examples. This worked for the Internet. AOL chat/porn was a huge use case for early chat/messaging. Music piracy and video piracy before Netflix/Apple…

Yes, blockchain powered video service running on own Beowulf cluster of Rassberry Pis, w00t!

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by girvo » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:26 PM UTC

chillwaves wrote: post #48

pavlov wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised by how many people think their First Amendment rights are trampled on by Twitter/Facebook/Google...

People calling it censorship yesterday (on this forum) don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

I think that’s kind of ignoring the outsized impact these huge companies have on our lives.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by kawfey » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:27 PM UTC

4gotmyaccount10 wrote: post #43

ironjunkie wrote: post #21

I think the news from the last couple days, make it clear that the next step is to MOVE OUT of all those platforms. History is repeating. As soon as they got enough power, they use it to exercise their own view of the world, deleting data//videos they don't like or reselling it to 3rd parties. We need to come up with a better solution for non-technical users to post content outside those platforms.

I'm looking forward to IPFS https://www.ipfs.com/

Yesterday I googled "path loss equation" and I was astonished that the first hit was ipfs:

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1m...

itshappening.gif It started a rabbit hole

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by en4bz » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:27 PM UTC

Navarr wrote: post #39

cabalamat wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do enjoy videos showing safe gun care or historic guns I like Forgotten Weapons. It has serious historical information, and I will be pissed off if Google deletes it. It seems to be that the principle behind net neutrality -- that of a common carrier -- shouldn't just apply to the ip layer, but should also sometimes apply to higher levels of the technology stack, especially when a provider has a large market shar…

Did anyone read the article to see what types of videos Google is taking action against? > YouTube will ban videos that offer instructions on how to make firearms and accessories such as silencers and bump stocks. It will prohibit content in which firearms and accessories are sold, both directly and through other websites. Videos on how to install firearms modifications will also be barred. > While we've long prohibi…

The channel mentioned "Forgotten Weapons" is mostly filmed at auction houses since it's the best place to find a lot of old guns in the same place at one time. As part of his arrangement with the auction centers the creator plugs the upcoming auction for the guns he is reviewing and links it in the description. This would probably be against the rules.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by Laaas » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:32 PM UTC

chillwaves wrote: post #48

pavlov wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised by how many people think their First Amendment rights are trampled on by Twitter/Facebook/Google...

People calling it censorship yesterday (on this forum) don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

How is it not censorship? It is legal, and they're not violating anything, but it is still censorship, because they are censoring something. It doesn't have to be illegal for it to be censorship.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by legitster » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:33 PM UTC

pizza234 wrote: post #50

giancarlostoro wrote: post #33

So will PornHub rebrand as "FreedomHub" or something or launch a similar site for those running away from YouTube for censorship issues? Now's the shot for someone to really compete with YouTube in an area where they seem to be failing.

I'm not sure that it's an area where YT is failing, as this subject has no winning scenario. If they put restrictions on a sensitive subject, a part of the population is going to complain; if they don't, the other part will. If they wouldn't put those restrictions, in the light of the current gun-related events, they'll just expose themselves to a string of lawsuits. I think this is implicit in content providers with…

Except, unless there was some hashtag I missed, that no one was asking Google to do anything. So it was kind of lose-lose. People against guns didn't really care, and people who like guns are pissed.

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Post by clarkmoody » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:34 PM UTC

pizza234 wrote: post #50

giancarlostoro wrote: post #33

So will PornHub rebrand as "FreedomHub" or something or launch a similar site for those running away from YouTube for censorship issues? Now's the shot for someone to really compete with YouTube in an area where they seem to be failing.

I'm not sure that it's an area where YT is failing, as this subject has no winning scenario. If they put restrictions on a sensitive subject, a part of the population is going to complain; if they don't, the other part will. If they wouldn't put those restrictions, in the light of the current gun-related events, they'll just expose themselves to a string of lawsuits. I think this is implicit in content providers with…

The thing about the gun-related stuff is that it's 99% perfectly legal (yes, there are videos about illegal mods, but those were not specifically targeted).

I don't think they're worried about lawsuits. This is all about political optics.

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Post by M_Bakhtiari » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:34 PM UTC

scrub_tier wrote: post #35

madengr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hunting parks? Isn’t that like a canned trophy shoot? I’ll be satisfied when I can buy a full auto, short barrel, suppressed, 51 caliber, via anonymous mail order, and paid with crypto currency.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country? I'm taking a chance here on hacker news with what might have been a troll comment, but please accept my sincere honest intent to understand your po…

>Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country?

It doesn't directly, but without a private right to bear arms all you're left with is a centralised police force on steroids.

The big fault of the American gun rights movement is of course that they ignored that arguably most important part of the 2nd amendment, there is no real popular militia that can be taken seriously in the US. For goodness sakes, when the ATF gets to drive around in M1 Abrams tanks, whether you can have a bump stock or not becomes pretty meaningless.

One could of course argue that the American model would just collapse into warlordism, but it would be interesting to see it tried.

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Post by hungerstrike » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:34 PM UTC

chillwaves wrote: post #48

pavlov wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised by how many people think their First Amendment rights are trampled on by Twitter/Facebook/Google...

People calling it censorship yesterday (on this forum) don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

Actually, I think what you meant to say is that the definition of the word censor has nothing to do with the first amendment or even government. Censorship is the "official" capacity of someone to prevent someone else from publishing. The official person could be an official of government or a private company as far as the definition is concerned.

define censor - https://www.google.com/search?q=define+censor

1. an official who examines material that is about to be released, such as books, movies, news, and art, and suppresses any parts that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

2. (in ancient Rome) either of two magistrates who held censuses and supervised public morals.

3. examine (a book, movie, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it.

So, Youtube and others are indeed censoring you when they do not allow you to publish certain videos.

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Post by major505 » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:36 PM UTC

pizza234 wrote: post #50

giancarlostoro wrote: post #33

So will PornHub rebrand as "FreedomHub" or something or launch a similar site for those running away from YouTube for censorship issues? Now's the shot for someone to really compete with YouTube in an area where they seem to be failing.

I'm not sure that it's an area where YT is failing, as this subject has no winning scenario. If they put restrictions on a sensitive subject, a part of the population is going to complain; if they don't, the other part will. If they wouldn't put those restrictions, in the light of the current gun-related events, they'll just expose themselves to a string of lawsuits. I think this is implicit in content providers with…

Youtube is a private company, and may as well ban all content that they don't like.

But nothing of this wold be an issue, if they stop being brick heads, and made a better algorithm to distribute their ads, it would never be am issue. Just ask your sponsors what kind of content they don't want to be associated, and then just don't show this ads in channels with this subjects. There, eberyboth is happy.

Now for gun related content, I really don't whatch in youtube anymore, since the creators don't receive money in there. So I just watch in sites like Full30.

The problem, is that a lot a good channels today, are only in youtube, like C&R arsenal, who is currentlly doing an amazing WWI guns history in great detail.