YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by CraneWorm » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 6:37 PM UTC

adarsh_thampy wrote: post #124

CraneWorm wrote: post #108

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> Since I pay for YouTube Red, I don't get ads. I think the cost justifies it. Since I have started using ad blockers I don't get ads neither. > Shouldn't you be paying for services you appreciate? Sure, but if 'lacks advertisement' is the selling point then it sounds like a bad joke that I don't get.

You are using Adblockers to circumvent the primary means of making money on YouTube while enjoying the services for free. Sooner or later, they will block you from using the application. "Lacks Advertisement" is not the main point. It's one of the points. Ability to play music in the background is one big advantage. I am waiting for YouTube Red to come to my country. It's one more subscription to add to my already bi…

> [...] "Lacks Advertisement" is not the main point. It's one of the points. Ability to play music in the background is one big advantage.

This is precisely why I don't use YT app on Android. Firefox allowed this by default, now you just need an addon to re-enable the "big feature".

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by zrobotics » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 7:31 PM UTC

mistermann wrote: post #135

CraneWorm wrote: post #108

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> Since I pay for YouTube Red, I don't get ads. I think the cost justifies it. Since I have started using ad blockers I don't get ads neither. > Shouldn't you be paying for services you appreciate? Sure, but if 'lacks advertisement' is the selling point then it sounds like a bad joke that I don't get.

Could you share how you are successfully blocking ads on YouTube (without sitting through a blank screen while the ad plays in the background)? afaik, uBlock Origin no longer is capable of it. Does anyone know of a way to combine youtube-dl + Plex or something like that to simulate YouTube's subscription list? That is my primary means of media consumption rather than TV, and I would gladly pay for TY Red, but they do…

Possibly a bug on your end. Win 10 w/ firefox, uBlock filters all youtube ads, and it's pretty much a stock install of uBlock.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by zrobotics » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 7:42 PM UTC

aiCeivi9 wrote: post #142

beedogs wrote: post #53

I must be running just the right combination of adblockers because I swear I've never once seen an advertisement on Youtube.

It is harder to avoid with smart TVs and other hardware with YT apps.

Isn't that the reason to avoid hardware you have no control over, though? AFAIK, this isn't a problem if you're using a HTPC, or not using the app on mobile. This isn't any different than complaining that you can't leave the walled garden in iOS, it is the product working as intended. Which does have some benefits (i.e. better security for iOS vs. android sideloaded apps), but drawbacks as well.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by kahnpro » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 8:23 PM UTC

setquk wrote: post #63

aerotwelve wrote: post #50

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

After several months of Apple Music and disappearing tracks this is what I’m doing now. I’m not renting anything any more.

Ugh this was also what got me to stop my Apple Music and then Spotify subscriptions. Songs or entire albums can disappear simply because the licencing changed.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by abawany » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 10:28 PM UTC

nkkollaw wrote: post #105

abawany wrote: post #21

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I should have considered it but I am not someone who streams live content so just a static playlist of music videos was all I was looking for.

Spotify is not live content. You have albums or playlists like YT, but it's made for that and the experience is much better. Also, you avoid doenloading video content when all you need is audio.

Actually, I was looking for video content. The idea was to take this machine and stress its bits for a bit to see if it was stable.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by askvictor » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 12:23 AM UTC

SimbaOnSteroids wrote: post #120

askvictor wrote: post #73

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What other revenue sources does Youtube have other than ads and Red subscription?

I would assume there is a fair amount of data collection that goes on with YouTube as well.

How does this contribute to revenue for youtube though? Certainly they will be using it to drive increase ad revenue, but the data collection of itself does not pay the bills.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by squarefoot » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 7:31 AM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #153

squarefoot wrote: post #133

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"Have you ever found vinyl sounding different from its CD equivalent due to the equipment you play it on?" Many CD are remastered if not remixed, so they aren't perfect equivalents of the original vinyl; they usually also add compression to raise the perceived average volume (sometimes beyond clipping!), which kills the original dynamics and quality of the media. Some early CDs may have been direct conversion of the…

You know that vinyls get a mixdown from a tape (open-reel) or DAT master also, right? Vinyl, like CD, has format limitations that need to be overcome. Most notably with vinyl, bass has to be converted to mono and high frequency content needs to be heavily EQ'd. Vinyl isn't the "original" sound, and you should never mixdown a CD from a vinyl source (since in most cases you have the original master or a tape copy of it…

Of course I know about limitations, I stopped using vinyl over 20 years ago. The OP was wondering why vinyl and CD sound different and besides the obvious media limitations I added that even a perfectly new record that doesn't crackle will produce noise because of friction. I also pointed out that today CDs don't come from the same master (1) used for vinyl. Sometimes they're also remixed (2) then compressed and limited (sigh). This may suggest that modern CD sound worse than vinyl while it should be the other way around, but greedy producers force their engineers to ruin the sound to make music louder. FWIW, I am one of hose Rush fans who stopped buying their CDs when Vapor Trails came out. I don't even have the mp3s of that awful sounding crap:(

1. stereo master tape, not the record press 2. from the same multitrack tape (often transferred onto digital) and sometimes with other audio added.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by setquk » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 1:49 PM UTC

manmal wrote: post #85

setquk wrote: post #63

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After several months of Apple Music and disappearing tracks this is what I’m doing now. I’m not renting anything any more.

May I ask, why not both? I‘m pretty sure you will not buy 20mio songs, rather a couple thousand. With Match you get your own collection online and available everywhere, and augment it with the Music subscription. I’ve done it like this but only rarely need the Match fallback now, because most of my library is available on Music or Spotify.

Two reasons: cost and that I like things in one place and format.

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Post by tehwebguy » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:45 PM UTC

mitchellshow wrote: post #158

tehwebguy wrote: post #156

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> In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Until it’s inevitably integrated into YouTube Red (they bought Bandcamp)

You're thinking of BandPAGE - Bandcamp is still privately owned.

Whoops, you are correct!

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by mistermann » Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 6:51 AM UTC

zrobotics wrote: post #162

mistermann wrote: post #135

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Could you share how you are successfully blocking ads on YouTube (without sitting through a blank screen while the ad plays in the background)? afaik, uBlock Origin no longer is capable of it. Does anyone know of a way to combine youtube-dl + Plex or something like that to simulate YouTube's subscription list? That is my primary means of media consumption rather than TV, and I would gladly pay for TY Red, but they do…

Possibly a bug on your end. Win 10 w/ firefox, uBlock filters all youtube ads, and it's pretty much a stock install of uBlock.

You're right, so much for following guides on the internet to optimize things.