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YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by poelzi »

lmm wrote: post #148
poelzi wrote: post #143

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Wrong. Many good Lables release 24 bit mastering quality flac releases, better as CD. But, to hear a difference, you really need highest quality equipment and even then, depends on the sound. I hear the different of flac vs mp3 on my Shure SRH 940 and some other high quality headphones. On medium quality speakers I don't.

> Many good Lables release 24 bit mastering quality flac releases, better as CD. But, to hear a difference, you really need highest quality equipment and even then, depends on the sound. A properly mastered CD can represent the whole audible range; to properly represent the very quietest sounds (mosquito-in-an-empty-room level) requires doing dithering as part of the mastering process, but any competent masterer shou…

Unfortunately my A&H Xone:K2 does not have a 24 bit DAC so I can't really test with equipment and songs I know.

I think people who like vinyl more the CD just like the noise floor on top of the music and not that vinyl actually has higher quality. Everything before the pressing is digital anyway these days, just with higher resolution. And that's what I meant, your sound can't get better then the 24 bit releases used for mastering. You may like the sound more, but the quality is necessarily worse then the digital original.

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Post by lmm »

poelzi wrote: post #151
lmm wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many good Lables release 24 bit mastering quality flac releases, better as CD. But, to hear a difference, you really need highest quality equipment and even then, depends on the sound. A properly mastered CD can represent the whole audible range; to properly represent the very quietest sounds (mosquito-in-an-empty-room level) requires doing dithering as part of the mastering process, but any competent masterer shou…

Unfortunately my A&H Xone:K2 does not have a 24 bit DAC so I can't really test with equipment and songs I know. I think people who like vinyl more the CD just like the noise floor on top of the music and not that vinyl actually has higher quality. Everything before the pressing is digital anyway these days, just with higher resolution. And that's what I meant, your sound can't get better then the 24 bit releases used…

> your sound can't get better then the 24 bit releases used for mastering. You may like the sound more, but the quality is necessarily worse then the digital original.

My point is that a correctly mastered CD will be perceptually indistinguishable from that digital original.

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Post by busterarm »

squarefoot wrote: post #133
knaik94 wrote: post #117

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Have you ever found vinyl sounding different from its CD equivalent due to the equipment you play it on? The few vinyl rips I have seem to have issues like a high noise floor (hearing the amplified sound of the needle pushing the vinyl during supposed silence, as well as random pops). I am curious to know if that's seen as a feature and not a bug.

"Have you ever found vinyl sounding different from its CD equivalent due to the equipment you play it on?" Many CD are remastered if not remixed, so they aren't perfect equivalents of the original vinyl; they usually also add compression to raise the perceived average volume (sometimes beyond clipping!), which kills the original dynamics and quality of the media. Some early CDs may have been direct conversion of the…

You know that vinyls get a mixdown from a tape (open-reel) or DAT master also, right?

Vinyl, like CD, has format limitations that need to be overcome. Most notably with vinyl, bass has to be converted to mono and high frequency content needs to be heavily EQ'd.

Vinyl isn't the "original" sound, and you should never mixdown a CD from a vinyl source (since in most cases you have the original master or a tape copy of it) unless you have absolutely no other choice.

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Post by CraneWorm »

adarsh_thampy wrote: post #124
CraneWorm wrote: post #108

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> Since I pay for YouTube Red, I don't get ads. I think the cost justifies it. Since I have started using ad blockers I don't get ads neither. > Shouldn't you be paying for services you appreciate? Sure, but if 'lacks advertisement' is the selling point then it sounds like a bad joke that I don't get.

You are using Adblockers to circumvent the primary means of making money on YouTube while enjoying the services for free. Sooner or later, they will block you from using the application. "Lacks Advertisement" is not the main point. It's one of the points. Ability to play music in the background is one big advantage. I am waiting for YouTube Red to come to my country. It's one more subscription to add to my already bi…

> You are using Adblockers to circumvent the primary means of making money [...]

I'm using adblockers to control the way I interact with the content, on my device.

I should perhaps clarify, I don't use YT Android app, only Firefox.

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Post by culot »

andrew-lucker wrote: post #2

Has anyone else encountered the 25 minute ads? Mine was a full episode of some home-improvement show sponsored by Lowes.

Pretty sure 90 minutes the longest I've seen.

Having to wade through at least 5 seconds of ads per video has made me reluctant to use Youtube anymore.

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Post by tehwebguy »

aerotwelve wrote: post #50

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

> In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP).

Until it’s inevitably integrated into YouTube Red (they bought Bandcamp)

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Post by gwenzek »

tyfon wrote: post #81
herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

Unfortunately this is only in the US as many other google programs. I have google music and if I were living in the US I'd have Red included. But it isn't, Red isn't even available. So I make my own red, i.e. see videos with ad-block or youtube-dl. Google really needs to make their stuff global, right now it's extremely US centric.

FYI YT Red is about to launch in 100 countries in the upcoming months. AFAIK the launched has been delayed a few years because right owners used the occasion to renegociate the contract they had with Google Play Music.

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Post by mitchellshow »

tehwebguy wrote: post #156
aerotwelve wrote: post #50

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

> In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Until it’s inevitably integrated into YouTube Red (they bought Bandcamp)

You're thinking of BandPAGE - Bandcamp is still privately owned.

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Post by mitchty »

akerro wrote: post #97
mitchty wrote: post #57

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I have one, not everything gets blocked.

Make sure you have these rules enabled https://i.imgur.com/S9pCwIc.png This blocks all twitter/facebook/google/botnet widgets, other tracking elements, all ads, even those on youtube. Highly increases your privacy and browsing experience. I use these rules for so long I even forgot youtube has ads.

Sometimes I just pull up the youtube app on my iPad no ad blockers work on there. And if I'm making food, I honestly don't worry as much about the ad.

But a 10 minute ad for a 2 minute video? Even then i'll download the video just to spite the entire ad platform, thats insane.

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Post by ptspts »

akerro wrote: post #97
mitchty wrote: post #57

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I have one, not everything gets blocked.

Make sure you have these rules enabled https://i.imgur.com/S9pCwIc.png This blocks all twitter/facebook/google/botnet widgets, other tracking elements, all ads, even those on youtube. Highly increases your privacy and browsing experience. I use these rules for so long I even forgot youtube has ads.

I use the latest uBlock Origin with the latest stable Google Chrome on Linux. I have the block lists above (https://i.imgur.com/S9pCwIc.png) enabled, and I'm still getting lots of ads on YouTube. Ads started appearing in 2018, it was fine before.

Any advice how I can get rid of ads on YouTube?

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