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YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by tyfon »

herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

Unfortunately this is only in the US as many other google programs. I have google music and if I were living in the US I'd have Red included. But it isn't, Red isn't even available.

So I make my own red, i.e. see videos with ad-block or youtube-dl.

Google really needs to make their stuff global, right now it's extremely US centric.

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Post by izacus »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #32
paul7986 wrote: post #30

YouTube Red is solid as everyone uses Youtube to listen to music. THus it knows and creates the best mix playlist especially if you listen to many, many genres of music. Apple Music like Siri is stupid .. the playlist it creates aren't based on all genres I listen to but only one. Also Red integrates well with Google Home as you can tell home to wake you up to whatever song and play whatever song. No commercials is a…

YouTube Red is not available in all countries Apple Music is.

And Apple Music is not available on all devices YouTube Red is.

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Post by onion2k »

glogla wrote: post #74
cornholio wrote: post #69

> Cohen, who joined YouTube in 2016 after about 30 years in the record business, including stints as a road manager for Run-DMC and a senior executive at Warner Music Group. I'm not sure he understands yet the culture of the organization he's in, and the way most internet companies work. The fact that Youtube is king of the hill does not mean he's sitting on a monopoly he can milk for revenue. On the Internet, if you…

Not if you're the actual monopoly because of network effects. See youtube, facebook, google, microsoft.

Not if you're the actual monopoly because of network effects.

I'd have thought network effects are exactly why companies on the internet can't mess around with their users. If a few people start using another site and share it with their friends, the rest could all follow very quickly.

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Post by yoz-y »

onion2k wrote: post #83
glogla wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you're the actual monopoly because of network effects. See youtube, facebook, google, microsoft.

Not if you're the actual monopoly because of network effects. I'd have thought network effects are exactly why companies on the internet can't mess around with their users. If a few people start using another site and share it with their friends, the rest could all follow very quickly.

Youtube does have a big advantage of video being too large to move around quickly. It would take quite some time to bootstrap a new video service with even a remotely comparable catalog.

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Post by manmal »

setquk wrote: post #63
aerotwelve wrote: post #50

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

After several months of Apple Music and disappearing tracks this is what I’m doing now. I’m not renting anything any more.

May I ask, why not both? I‘m pretty sure you will not buy 20mio songs, rather a couple thousand. With Match you get your own collection online and available everywhere, and augment it with the Music subscription. I’ve done it like this but only rarely need the Match fallback now, because most of my library is available on Music or Spotify.

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Post by askvictor »

michaelmrose wrote: post #75
askvictor wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you run G-Suite for your family? That would be the only reason I can think of to not be using a personal account for this purpose.

For a while you could get a free google apps account for up to 10 users. A free google account + your own domain name which costs you less than 8 bucks a year. If they were smarter maybe they would just offer this as a paid feature on top of gmail. Its not like it costs them more money to deliver email to a different domain.

I _think_ (not entirely certain as the docs are pretty bad) that the very-recently-accounced Google Cloud Identity free tier does almost that for free; but it's just the identity service, and doesn't include any apps like GMail. Not sure if it has mail routing settings, or if that's just standard DNS.

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Post by aunty_helen »

I use youtube for music in the car on the way to work and during work hours (which I have an adblocker for).

Two experiences I'd like to relate, In the car, music being interrupted more often with annoying ads. Even more so in the last 3 months. Some ads even asking me to take a survey in the youtube app. This annoys me and makes me hate using youtube. Often will make me switch to using bandcamp (which I purchase music on that I really like) or soundcloud.

Experience 2, when youtube brought out a new algo to pick the next song to play. After stringing together ~10 bangers in a row, some that I haven't heard recently / before, I actually looked into youtube red. Can't remember why I didn't start a subscription.

I'm not opposed to paying for a service, I've had Spotify, Apple and Tidal before. I know the Spotify annoying ads worked well for them. I'm not sure how well it will work for youtube.

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Post by icebraining »

zamalek wrote: post #31
herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

I get YT Red for free with Play Music. Two things an adblocker can't help with are mobile and Chromecast, so I'm sticking with it for that.

uBlock works just fine on Firefox for Android...

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Post by TeMPOraL »

onion2k wrote: post #83
glogla wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you're the actual monopoly because of network effects. See youtube, facebook, google, microsoft.

Not if you're the actual monopoly because of network effects. I'd have thought network effects are exactly why companies on the internet can't mess around with their users. If a few people start using another site and share it with their friends, the rest could all follow very quickly.

No, network effects are the barrier preventing you from moving elsewhere. The stronger they are, the more of your friends have to simultaneously move elsewhere for you to move as well. In other words, the stronger the network effects are, the more a company can mess around with their users.

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Post by loudandskittish »

aerotwelve wrote: post #50

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

Frankly, I'm moving back to vinyl. I'm aware that most albums have finally been properly remastered to be in a digital format, eliminating the disparity in sound quality, but I feel like something purely analog with zero possibility of any DRM is more permanent, crazy as that may sound.

Plus, Bandcamp is nice. Artists I've discovered through there frequently have a vinyl pressing available, which entitles me to download the lossless digital version as well.

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