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YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Frankly, I'm moving back to vinyl. I'm aware that most albums have finally been properly remastered to be in a digital format, eliminating the disparity in sound quality, but I feel like something purely analog with zero possibility of any DRM is more permanent, crazy as that may sound. Plus, Bandcamp is nice. Artists I've discovered through there frequently have a vinyl pressing available, which entitles me to downl…

Have you ever found vinyl sounding different from its CD equivalent due to the equipment you play it on? The few vinyl rips I have seem to have issues like a high noise floor (hearing the amplified sound of the needle pushing the vinyl during supposed silence, as well as random pops). I am curious to know if that's seen as a feature and not a bug.

"Have you ever found vinyl sounding different from its CD equivalent due to the equipment you play it on?"

Many CD are remastered if not remixed, so they aren't perfect equivalents of the original vinyl; they usually also add compression to raise the perceived average volume (sometimes beyond clipping!), which kills the original dynamics and quality of the media. Some early CDs may have been direct conversion of the master into digital form, but if we take an old record and the equivalent CD issued recently, they're not the same thing anymore.

"The few vinyl rips I have seem to have issues like a high noise floor"

That's because of the needle friction and other interference by motor and other mechanical parts etc. all noise which is getting amplified. They've made miracles with pickups, RIAA preamps and other stuff, but we can't make a mechanical device that doesn't generate friction otherwise we would have invented perpetual motion. So yes, records are more noisy and have a much smaller dynamic range, although most modern overcompressed music would falsely suggest the opposite. A search for "loudness war" can bring some interesting information. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Youtube could make their ads unblockable by putting them in the content's video stream or just serving them from the same domain. I feel like they don't do that just as a way to be nice to adblockers, but I don't know why.

I'm pretty sure it would also be more expensive in terms of CPU and potentially disk.

The cost is not in the CPU, or the processing or the resources. The cost is in the people who leave.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

> Since I pay for YouTube Red, I don't get ads. I think the cost justifies it. Since I have started using ad blockers I don't get ads neither. > Shouldn't you be paying for services you appreciate? Sure, but if 'lacks advertisement' is the selling point then it sounds like a bad joke that I don't get.

Could you share how you are successfully blocking ads on YouTube (without sitting through a blank screen while the ad plays in the background)?

afaik, uBlock Origin no longer is capable of it.

Does anyone know of a way to combine youtube-dl + Plex or something like that to simulate YouTube's subscription list? That is my primary means of media consumption rather than TV, and I would gladly pay for TY Red, but they don't offer it in my country.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Frankly, I'm moving back to vinyl. I'm aware that most albums have finally been properly remastered to be in a digital format, eliminating the disparity in sound quality, but I feel like something purely analog with zero possibility of any DRM is more permanent, crazy as that may sound. Plus, Bandcamp is nice. Artists I've discovered through there frequently have a vinyl pressing available, which entitles me to downl…

Have you ever found vinyl sounding different from its CD equivalent due to the equipment you play it on? The few vinyl rips I have seem to have issues like a high noise floor (hearing the amplified sound of the needle pushing the vinyl during supposed silence, as well as random pops). I am curious to know if that's seen as a feature and not a bug.

Well you have to master differently for a vinyl. At least you have to take it into consideration when mastering for digital and vinyl.

So it is possible to sound differently to the digital signal. The phono amplifier has to do some filtering, so this influences the sound too.

All in all records are a pretty bad medium for conserving music nowadays.. but for many people the experience is the most important thing.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Couldn't one have said the same about those annoying self-plugging Spotify ads on Spotify advertising Spotify premium? I haven't heard them lately, but they were like 30 seconds of a recorded cricket chirping. It seems like a common tactic. Youtube wants to lock in MRR.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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I get YT Red for free with Play Music. Two things an adblocker can't help with are mobile and Chromecast, so I'm sticking with it for that.

uBlock works just fine on Firefox for Android...

It certainly doesn't for me....could you possibly share your uBlock config on pastebin?

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

Doing a search on Bandcamp for songs that I like.. I was able to find none of them. I'd argue if they only solved the problem, then they solved the subset of the problem which excludes the songs that I would be after.

There's nothing to solve. Bandcamp is for finding music you'd probably never hear on radio or streaming.

Here's what you can do:

1: Find one album you like.

2: Click through the profiles of people who bought it (those icons under the album cover).

3: See what else they like.

You can also check out Bandcamp's blog and click through the tags on posts for genres you like: https://daily.bandcamp.com/

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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post #109

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

Doing a search on Bandcamp for songs that I like.. I was able to find none of them. I'd argue if they only solved the problem, then they solved the subset of the problem which excludes the songs that I would be after.

Yeah, they've solved the problem brilliantly for people who either don't want record company involvement (and I don't blame them) or would never get a record deal (me). But it will only ever be a supplier of niche(ish) content.
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