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Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by jayess »

xienze wrote: post #62
cryptoz wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained, combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power, and used the user data to spread disinformation and lies about US politics? Is that what you're saying? Because otherwise, the two cases are completely different.

> So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained By a campaign staffer’s admission, Facebook personally told them that what they were doing was not OK so... yes? > combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power Is this a new talking point? Russia financed the Trump campaign now?

It's not new, now literally everything to do with anyone or anything that's not left-wing SJW is now RUSSIAN!

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by bduerst »

jayess wrote: post #57
frostburg wrote: post #48

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It's a damage control talking point, see Wikileaks (which at this point is basically a Russian propaganda mouthpiece) immediately suggesting it.

Sorta like making everything you disagree with Russian?

Julian Assange works for RT [1], which is the Russian state propaganda media [2], or was that a rhetorical question?

1. https://www.rt.com/tags/the-julian-assange-show/

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Propaganda_cla...

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by throwaway5752 »

colordrops wrote: post #45
rectang wrote: post #5

It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

Commerce and law enforcement don't have opposing forces with huge political propaganda/PR machines behind them. Trump is opposed by the Democrats, and Obama is opposed by the Republicans. Both parties are public sentiment manipulation machines.

What a vapid post. It's X vs Y, and everything is relative to that?

Here's an exercise for you. Identify federal law enforcement agencies, and see what public statements and actions they've taken on this. There is not partisan symmetry, but I won't give the answer away.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by rsp1984 »

cryptoz wrote: post #31
Cacti wrote: post #16

I’m sorry, what quagmire? Most people either aren’t aware of the privacy issues or if they are don’t care. People like using Facebook, or at least are addicted to it.

You don't see the addiction itself as a quagmire? It sure is on its own. And "what quagmire"? You know what quagmire. The one where Facebook has been acting extremely guilty around entering Cambridge Analytica's offices and refusing to leave until police forced them out. The one where Facebook is complicit in the stolen information, whereby they had knowledge of the problem for 2+ years before acting. The one that sp…

Sorry, I don't see it either. Yes, Facebook makes money off of users data, surprise surprise! People know that much, they aren't stupid and the deal worked just fine for both sides so far.

The current outrage is about user's data getting into the wrong hands, and a rightful outrage it is. However I don't see how fixing that problem would endanger FB's business model. Quite the contrary actually.

The Bloomberg argument is artifical and relies on the assumption that people don't want to share any data about themselves at all, which is just plain wrong. They do, as long as they can be reasonably sure that the data is "only" being used for harmless things such as targeted ads.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by dang »

cryptoz wrote: post #22
sverige wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

> When Obama did it, no one cared When Obama did what? Nothing here even remotely resembles the methods used by Obama's campaign. "No, Obama Didn’t Employ the Same Strategies as Cambridge Analytica" https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-empl... HN is so full of already-debunked right-wing talking points, it has to stop. This place is full of as much disinformation as anywhere else. Everything in you…

Would you please stop posting ideological and political flamebait to HN? This question is being discussed elsewhere in the thread, and in other threads, without quite so much of that. They're pretty low-quality discussions, but comments like this one make lower the quality a significant notch further. That we can at least avoid.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by rsynnott »

colordrops wrote: post #52
nemothekid wrote: post #38

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I'm struggling to understand why people keep bringing up the Obama comparison. At the start of the 2016 elections everyone , Sanders, Clinton, Jeb!, Trump were doing what Obama did in 2012. The outrage isn't soley in the fact that the CA campaign used FB data. 1. CA obtained the data illicitly and tried to cover up the fact they had used it, and downplay how many users they had reached. 2. CA used the data to intenti…

Do you really think most of the outraged public understand the nuanced differences between the two? The reason the public is outraged is because of an engineered campaign by Trump's enemies.

Ah yes, Channel 4, the most implacable enemy of Trump. And that time they did an exposé of how Poundland wasn’t actually cheap, it was due to their vendetta against Poundland, and not at all due to the fact that they do bloody investigative journalism.

What would you prefer them to do, in depth investigations into how fuzzy cats are? Generally, in investigative journalism, someone gets hurt. It’s not a conspiracy against poor innocent Trump, just the nature of the beast.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by astronautjones »

nemothekid wrote: post #38
sverige wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

I'm struggling to understand why people keep bringing up the Obama comparison. At the start of the 2016 elections everyone , Sanders, Clinton, Jeb!, Trump were doing what Obama did in 2012. The outrage isn't soley in the fact that the CA campaign used FB data. 1. CA obtained the data illicitly and tried to cover up the fact they had used it, and downplay how many users they had reached. 2. CA used the data to intenti…

yeah, CA was willfully stoking hate in its audience with hateful propaganda, and the Obama campaign literally did not do that. There is no equivalency

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

nemothekid wrote: post #38
sverige wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

I'm struggling to understand why people keep bringing up the Obama comparison. At the start of the 2016 elections everyone , Sanders, Clinton, Jeb!, Trump were doing what Obama did in 2012. The outrage isn't soley in the fact that the CA campaign used FB data. 1. CA obtained the data illicitly and tried to cover up the fact they had used it, and downplay how many users they had reached. 2. CA used the data to intenti…

Folks bring up the Obama comparison... because... well... its a pretty comparable situation.

I'm not so charitable towards the public.

I wouldn't place any bets that the striking wave of outrage directed at Facebook right now isn't strictly related to the outcome. In this case, that outcome is Trump in the White-house. Not that that isn't a good reason to be outraged - but I don't think its a very principled reason.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by [deleted] »

nickysielicki wrote: post #49
rhizome wrote: post #27

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Please stop spreading the "Obama did it too!" canard, they didn't exceed authorization.

See here for details of how CA's data was aggregated: https://theintercept.com/2017/03/30/facebook-failed-to-prote... You can find that this survey was listed on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HITsWorthTurkingFor/comments/27nnaa... Half the reddit commenters claim to have gave them fraudulent information, and they paid people $2 for completing the survey. How is that fundamentally different from this: https://twitt…

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