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Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by cryptoz »

Cacti wrote: post #16

I’m sorry, what quagmire? Most people either aren’t aware of the privacy issues or if they are don’t care. People like using Facebook, or at least are addicted to it.

You don't see the addiction itself as a quagmire? It sure is on its own. And "what quagmire"? You know what quagmire. The one where Facebook has been acting extremely guilty around entering Cambridge Analytica's offices and refusing to leave until police forced them out. The one where Facebook is complicit in the stolen information, whereby they had knowledge of the problem for 2+ years before acting. The one that spoils the trust of investors and users alike. That quagmire.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by extradego »

cryptoz wrote: post #22
sverige wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

> When Obama did it, no one cared When Obama did what? Nothing here even remotely resembles the methods used by Obama's campaign. "No, Obama Didn’t Employ the Same Strategies as Cambridge Analytica" https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-empl... HN is so full of already-debunked right-wing talking points, it has to stop. This place is full of as much disinformation as anywhere else. Everything in you…

And at the end of the day, all that matters is avoiding an adult conversation over our absurd campaign finance policies.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by jayess »

cryptoz wrote: post #22
sverige wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

> When Obama did it, no one cared When Obama did what? Nothing here even remotely resembles the methods used by Obama's campaign. "No, Obama Didn’t Employ the Same Strategies as Cambridge Analytica" https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-empl... HN is so full of already-debunked right-wing talking points, it has to stop. This place is full of as much disinformation as anywhere else. Everything in you…

Your response only talks about 2008. The 2012 campaign admitted that it sucked data out of facebook. 'The entire social network' in the united states.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1129&v=LGiiQUMaS...

"They came to office in the days following election recruiting & were very candid that they allowed us to do things they wouldn’t have allowed someone else to do because they were on our side."

https://twitter.com/cld276/status/975568208886484997

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by sverige »

rhizome wrote: post #27
sverige wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

Please stop spreading the "Obama did it too!" canard, they didn't exceed authorization.

Because Facebook gave them authorization to do whatever they wanted to do with the data.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by macspoofing »

rhizome wrote: post #27
sverige wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

Please stop spreading the "Obama did it too!" canard, they didn't exceed authorization.

Can you elaborate on the difference?

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by pera »

sverige wrote: post #11
rectang wrote: post #5

It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

I have been campaigning since 2007 :) and of course I wasn't the only one:

https://stallman.org/facebook.html

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by extradego »

throwaway7656 wrote: post #30
rectang wrote: post #5

It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

You gotta understand the ruling elites though. It was fun to watch different "Springs" happening in some distant lands. Not so much fun when "American Spring" happens in your own country, even if it's a "mild" edition.

You're aware of Occupy Wall Street, right?

Corporate corruption is the issue at the root of all of the above, very much including this Facebook mess.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by nemothekid »

sverige wrote: post #11
rectang wrote: post #5

It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

I'm struggling to understand why people keep bringing up the Obama comparison. At the start of the 2016 elections everyone, Sanders, Clinton, Jeb!, Trump were doing what Obama did in 2012. The outrage isn't soley in the fact that the CA campaign used FB data.

1. CA obtained the data illicitly and tried to cover up the fact they had used it, and downplay how many users they had reached.

2. CA used the data to intentionally spread and optimizing the sharing of bogus news.

Comparing the CA scandal to Obama is willfully ignoring these two facts that has led to the current backlash.

Society, to the frustration of many of us on this forum, has implicitly decided to trust Facebook with the personal data of millions and has allowed the mass-resale of user data, provided that everyone else plays by the "rules" (for example, you can target me to sell ads, but only as long as you trying to sell me TVs). CA (and transitively, Trump) broke these rules.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by xienze »

sverige wrote: post #11
rectang wrote: post #5

It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

Even better is this Time article which is non-stop fawning over the brilliance of the Obama campaign using an app to suck down information in your friends list: http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/20/friended-how-the-obama-...

2012: getting information about all of your friends by simply using an app? How cool is that? Haha bet you Republican dinosaurs had thought of that, huh?

2018: getting information about all of your friends by simply using an app? This is utterly terrifying!

And save me the “it’s different because it was a campaign app.” Did the app get the consent from all the friends whose data was harvested? I’m thinking... no.

From a former Obama campaign staffer... https://ijr.com/ijr-red/2018/03/1077083-ex-obama-campaign-di...

> Facebook was surprised we were able to suck out the whole social graph, but they didn’t stop us once they realized that was what we were doing.

> They came to office in the days following election recruiting & were very candid that they allowed us to do things they wouldn’t have allowed someone else to do because they were on our side.

So a former Obama staffer is saying they harvested data in a manner that raised red flags with Facebook, news articles of the time detailed the manner in which friend data was harvested automatically (i.e., without consent) and yet, no one in 2012 or after stopped and said, “hey wait, that’s not OK.” Throw aside all the talk about false equivalences, what the 2012 Obama campaign did with data was obviously not OK by Facebook or anyone else’s standards and yet... crickets. It really is a case of “it’s OK when we do it” for Democrats. Anyone wanna wager that Facebook will really revisit this case like Zuckerberg promised to do?

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by Aunche »

rhizome wrote: post #27
sverige wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

Please stop spreading the "Obama did it too!" canard, they didn't exceed authorization.

That has nothing to do with Facebook though. Once Facebook gives its data to a third party, they have no control over it.
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