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At My Lai: The Photographer Who Captured the Massacre

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Re: At My Lai: The Photographer Who Captured the Massacre

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Actually, Vietnam is one of the most pro-American countries in the world. There was a survey a while and over 90% view the US favorably. You can find it with a google search.

That is more to do with China than America though

Some of it is, but some of it is that many VIetnamese went to the US after the at and so their family is there and they can see firsthand the benefits of living in the US.

Also Vietnamese are fiercely capitalistic. I've never seen a more go-getter attitude in any other country. That also colors their perception of the US.

Re: At My Lai: The Photographer Who Captured the Massacre

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> No wonder why China is fiercely anti-American What gives you this idea? I don't think Chinese policy is particularly anti-American. Sure, they're not a lap-dog like Japan, but I don't see their policy being informed by any particular animosity towards the USA.

They are rivals. They'll smile and nod and but will no way be pushed around by foreign influence. It's not specific to American imperialism, but to foreign imperialism in the past.

Well, exactly. Their motivations are independence, security and self-determination - exactly what one might expect and qualities I'm sure most Americans would understand.

Like most Powers, China doesn't have friends, it has interests. If cooperation furthers those interests, it will cooperate; if not, it won't. Attempts to cast these behaviours into "country A hates country B for reason C" are usually agenda-driven, simplistic attempts at populism, or both[1].

[1] The obvious exception to this is in the case of historical or otherwise wrongdoing. China still genuinely resents Japan for its behaviour around WWII; many middle eastern states resent the USA for its meddling and violence in the last half-century over there. These are legitimate complaints. Even so, when a country is run by a bureaucracy, it will still generally act according to its current interests, rhetoric notwithstanding.

Re: At My Lai: The Photographer Who Captured the Massacre

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post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is more to do with China than America though

Some of it is, but some of it is that many VIetnamese went to the US after the at and so their family is there and they can see firsthand the benefits of living in the US. Also Vietnamese are fiercely capitalistic. I've never seen a more go-getter attitude in any other country. That also colors their perception of the US.

> many Vietnamese went to the US [..] they can see firsthand the benefits of living in the US

This applies to many countries. Why does it specifically influence Vietnamese perceptions more?

> Vietnamese are fiercely capitalistic

This is true, but again, they're hardly alone. Chinese are fiercely capitalistic as well - and in the same context as the Vietnamese, within the framework of a nominally communist society. Why doesn't your theory apply there, too?

I think the situation is much more nuanced than these too-obvious theories, or that can be surfaced in superficial "attitude" surveys. As mentioned in other comments, Vietnamese are deeply (and IMO rightfully) suspicious of China, despite the state's theoretical status as an ally. The USA, despite its history of botched and ham-handed interventions, is ultimately seen as a friend. There's a love/hate aspect to that attitude too, similar to Filipino attitudes to some extent. The absence of military bases in-country helps by keeping the notion theoretical, rather than the often-negative daily experience of having foreign soldiers around a la Korea and Japan.

Anyway, without getting too much into the weeds of theorising and speculation, my point was that it's complex - more complex than the OP suggested. Nostalgia for the South Vietnamese flag is a niche sentiment at best, and attitudes to the USA are a complicated product of history and pragmatism. "90% positive" does not capture the nuance, in my opinion.

It's probably too late but it would have been good to hear from some non-emigrant Vietnamese.

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