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You're so fucking done with Windows that you went out and bought a Surface Pro?
Could be the parent had a Surface Pro and is now looking to supplant the Windows on it with Linux.
Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates
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Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates
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Yes clearly, but they should set it as metered in Windows, like here: https://i.imgur.com/Y71LI5F.png
Doesn't always help. Co-worker used my hotspot, Windows force-downloaded updates. How do I know? I was roaming and the data plan ran out, we caught it in the act. Metered!
If you are connected through a Bluetooth link to a cell phone, Windows will probably assume that it is tethered to a phone and therefore metered. Likewise, WiFi connections are probably assumed to be unmetered, for better or worse. But you can tell Windows that a given network connection is metered.
(I am not a Windows user 98% of the time and I find this behavior annoying too, FWIW.)
Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates
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Are you saying that you think they'll re-extend the Windows 7 extended support period, or did you assume that I was talking about Windows 10?
I am assuming you are talking about Win10. Because you should not be using deprecated software on the internet.
If Microsoft only wants to support new software, they should make new software that people want to switch to without being tricked, forced, and coerced into it.
Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates
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This is incorrect. I've run packet analysis to confirm that the built-in firewall blocks, among other things, telemetry - what is your source for this?
How do you analyze decrypted data !? Or did you manage to block all outgoing windows data !? It was all over the news a year or two ago. All sources seem to be gone now though.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates
#125Windows 10 updates in the past fortnight have consumed 9+ Gb of my data after failing again and again due to my choppy wifi connection (there's no other option available as I live in a university hostel). Having limited data per month, this has made me buy up extra data just to get through this month. Being a student, internet is indispensable and Microsoft doing this is really bad on their part.
I find it crazy that resumable downloads aren't the table stakes for an automated upgrade system. Really, they also should be using erasure codes over UDP with TCP-friendly flow control in order to make more efficient use of noisy or high-latency channels.
What sort of protocols are used for this kind of thing, and what would I research if I wanted to do this myself?
Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates
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Which microsoft departments would you consider user friendly, and why?
Nothing that Microsoft is doing is shady and every department is user friendly. There. I've argued my points as well as you have yours.
What about these:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10...
https://www.channelnews.com.au/big-bad-microsoft-sammed-agai...
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/2454935/microso...
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/microsoft-pushed-windows-10-re...
I hope you'll notice the links in my comment, since they are pretty obvious. But then again you didn't notice the fucking article that started this thread, nor what the whole discussion is about.
Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates
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How do you analyze decrypted data !? Or did you manage to block all outgoing windows data !? It was all over the news a year or two ago. All sources seem to be gone now though.
There is simply no traffic on the wire other than what you actually allow. The telemetry doesn't bypass Windows firewall. Please stop spreading misinformation.
https://superuser.com/questions/1207878/does-windows-firewal...
Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates
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Doesn't always help. Co-worker used my hotspot, Windows force-downloaded updates. How do I know? I was roaming and the data plan ran out, we caught it in the act. Metered!
So your friend connected to a WiFi network and didn't tell Windows that it was metered... and Windows assumed it wasn't metered. This is what they are trying to explain. There is a way to tell Windows that the network is metered. If you are connected through a Bluetooth link to a cell phone, Windows will probably assume that it is tethered to a phone and therefore metered. Likewise, WiFi connections are probably assu…
He didn't change it back. My quota was blown an hour later (I don't recall how much data I had left, but it was hundreds of MB). In spite of it being set to metered seconds after connecting to the hotspot.
Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates
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The very idea of banning unapproved OS's on a public network seems very at odds with the spirit of the open source community.
I think you are conflating "internet" with "open source community". There is no relation. We are talking about the public internet and what we need to do to maintain it.
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> As an HN reader, I believe I am qualified... Yes, those qualifications being: 1) Have a browser. 2) Be able to type your words. > By pushing to make Windows as idiot-proof as possible... They've basically lost the mass market. The e-mail checking machine in the kitchen has been replaced by a tablet... I've never known anyone to have an "e-mail" checking machine in their kitchen. I do know lots of folks who work at…
> I've never known anyone to have an "e-mail" checking machine in their kitchen. I saw a lot of that in years past. Seems that there was a trend for awhile to have a builtin desk in the kitchen, and that desk typically had a Windows computer on it. I doubt many of these people used it for more than email and basic stuff. > Go ahead, find one. I'll wait. Please tell me what OS is going to replace Windows?? I'm seeing…
My observation is more and more people are trying linux, probably because of Win10 stuff. But they all say they don't like it, and go back to Win or to Mac. I heard yesterday one diehard linux fan pondering going to Mac ... If Apple did not let quality slide they would have be the windows-replacement, but we are stuck with 2 bad options and one funny-bad one. And Windows is still the most convenient and easiest, even if only because of history and inertia.