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Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by dijit »

nunodonato wrote: post #50

Aside from those running windows-exclusive software, I'm more and more boggled at the fact that some people still choose windows over other OSes. I couldn't imagine living with this sort of crap. To each their own, I guess

It's a really nice development ecosystem I'm told.

Our developers write exclusively Windows software (games company) and even though it costs us multiple millions of dollars in software licenses to run dedicated servers, the "cost of porting" is high enough to prevent people from doing it.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by KMag »

sidyapa wrote: post #48

Windows 10 updates in the past fortnight have consumed 9+ Gb of my data after failing again and again due to my choppy wifi connection (there's no other option available as I live in a university hostel). Having limited data per month, this has made me buy up extra data just to get through this month. Being a student, internet is indispensable and Microsoft doing this is really bad on their part.

I find it crazy that resumable downloads aren't the table stakes for an automated upgrade system.

Really, they also should be using erasure codes over UDP with TCP-friendly flow control in order to make more efficient use of noisy or high-latency channels.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by KMag »

poizan42 wrote: post #57
sidyapa wrote: post #48

Windows 10 updates in the past fortnight have consumed 9+ Gb of my data after failing again and again due to my choppy wifi connection (there's no other option available as I live in a university hostel). Having limited data per month, this has made me buy up extra data just to get through this month. Being a student, internet is indispensable and Microsoft doing this is really bad on their part.

Why don't you set your connection to metered then?

I think the OP is saying they are on a metered connection, and ran out of quota, so they had to go pony up more money in order to be able to finish their studies.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by pritambaral »

boobsbr wrote: post #44
mdekkers wrote: post #40

I am so fucking done with Windows. Windows 10 has a lot of cool things I like and that are useful to me, but the only other time I felt such a complete lack of control over my systems was during a 3 month Apple Mac experiment (ended with an apple mac being flung from a 3rd story window). Research for the coming months: getting Linux running on my Surface Pro.

You're so fucking done with Windows that you went out and bought a Surface Pro?

Could be the parent had a Surface Pro and is now looking to supplant the Windows on it with Linux.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by lancefisher »

yolobey wrote: post #49

Oh boy, this happened to me despite using the enterprise edition. The system forced an upgrade, despite me doing everything to stop it, and every time the upgrade crashed and I had to roll back to the previous version. Every day. I spent a month like this, on an always-on system, trying to shut down the upgrade downloader from the task bar whenever I can after failing to stop it from settings, group policy, horsing a…

Have you tried settting your internet connection to metered? https://www.howtogeek.com/226722/how-when-and-why-to-set-a-c...

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by poizan42 »

KMag wrote: post #63
poizan42 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you set your connection to metered then?

I think the OP is saying they are on a metered connection, and ran out of quota, so they had to go pony up more money in order to be able to finish their studies.

Yes clearly, but they should set it as metered in Windows, like here: https://i.imgur.com/Y71LI5F.png

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by dingo_bat »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #46
dingo_bat wrote: post #10

This is the correct thing to do. They really must avoid another WinXP scenario where people were running 10 year old builds on internet connected PCs. If you connect to the internet, your device must be fully patched.

The very idea of banning unapproved OS's on a public network seems very at odds with the spirit of the open source community.

I think you are conflating "internet" with "open source community". There is no relation. We are talking about the public internet and what we need to do to maintain it.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by qplex »

z3t4 wrote: post #56
qplex wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can just simply block outbound traffic by default and allow what you actually need. No more forced updates. No more telemetry.

Windows telemetry will by-pass the Windows firewall. You need to run a dedicated firewall box (that is not running Windows)

This is incorrect.

I've run packet analysis to confirm that the built-in firewall blocks, among other things, telemetry - what is your source for this?

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by smittywerben »

There is an overwhelming amount of "but the users NEED to update" in the Windows 10 community. Sorry but now users are running random scripts they find on the internet. This is worse than just "hacking the registry" or adding some group policy to disable auto-updates.

I need security and no random shutdowns. I switched to linux about a year ago. Lots of complaints, yes, but no auto-updates.

Example scripts (haven't used any):

https://gist.github.com/alirobe/7f3b34ad89a159e6daa1

https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10/blob/master/sc...

https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater

https://github.com/bmrf/tron

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by noselasd »

Sacho wrote: post #59
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it your computer or Microsofts? Because I really think the language in Windows speaks to you as just the guest, while Microsoft is taking care of your needs like a parent. I guess I'm very hostile to that idea since I grew up in a time when my computer was my computer, not the property of an American software organization to decide for me what is best.

I am sympathetic to your stance - I don't like Microsoft overriding my decisions. My worry is that this stance will eventually lead to harsh penalties for operating unpatched software and getting hacked, and I feel that's not something most users would want. How do we reconcile these two competing problems? It doesn't seem fair to me to have all the power of ownership with none of the responsibility.

Are they really competing problems ? Most users don't care, they get their updates when Microsoft decides to.

The users that do care, and want or need to opt out of the updates know what they are doing and can take responsibility for their actions to block updates.

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