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Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to move to China. Even though the country "should" have 5+ timezones, it only has 1 (Beijing Standard Time).

Or any country, since timezones only have a 1 hour granularity. If you're in Edinburgh (same longitude as Plymouth) this is quite noticable. Be interesting to see the consequences of hyper-local timezones where the sun is always over your head at 12 noon. With modern computing it should be possible to have your watch adjust as you drive east-west ...

And then we need to track lat/longs for every timestamp!

"Says here you arrived at 1.33pm! You were meant to be there at 1.30pm!" "But Sir, look, it was 57 miles east so I was early!"

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This problem is inherent to having timezones that are an hour long. You're stuck with it unless you are willing to add a bunch more timezones, e.g. have 7 going across the country in 30 minute increments. I think that might be worse than aberrant sunrise/sunset times at the edges of the existing hourlong timezones.

Which is where having one central clock would make sense. But it would have to be something based on like a standard physical quantity instead of morning/noon. I’m thinking like rotational speed of the planet.

The problem with only having one central clock is that you no longer have relative time. Right now, I can say something like "I woke up at 11am", and you understand what that means, regardless of which timezone I'm in or you're in. It means I woke up late.

But now imagine I said "I woke up at 16:00 Z." That's meaningless without the context of what timezone I'm in. That could be early, it could be late, it could be waking up from a nap in the late afternoon.

If you force people onto centralized time, then they'll still start using arbitrary (and worse) measures of relative time, like they'll say stuff like "I woke up two hours after sunrise".

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #10

Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!

Is it really that big of a deal? It has never bothered me. If waking up a hour early totally messes up your life it might be time to reconsider your priorities.

It is very frustrating to small children who don't understand what is happening, and thus it is also very frustrating to their parents.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #112

"Even if the governor signs the bill, nothing will happen now. Congress, rived over tariffs and gun control and immigration, would have to act on clocks — or the Transportation Department would have to issue a new regulation, an option the Florida legislation does not mention."

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Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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Assuming the feds don't change on their end, what's stopping Florida from joining Atlantic Time (and declining D.S.T.)? I looked at 15 USC 261-264 which defines the time zones, but except for some exceptions about Idaho and Texas/Oklahoma, I don't see anything that specifies which zone each state needs to be in (or other geographical specifications)

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time zones can have any granularity desired. Most are 1 hour, several are 30 minutes (including in India and Australia), and a few are 45 minutes (in New Zealand, for example). There’s no rule though about granularity though.

New Zealand's timezones are full hours, not 45 minutes. You might be thinking of Nepal? (Picky - your broader point is of course right.)

Nope, OP is correct - the Chatham Islands are GMT + 12 hours 45 minutes.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #83
post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

Also if we could decimalize it too that would be great. Not sure if I want 10 hours or day, or ten in the morning and ten afternoon, but would be a big improvement over the current dozen.

We can just start using kilosecond, megasecond, gigasecond. Like in Vernor Vinge's novel Deepness in the Sky ;-)

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #81
post #17

I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.

So you want to abolish time zones: https://qntm.org/abolish

Except if we did abolish time zones rather than asking Google "what time is it in Melbourne" you ask it "is it the waking hours in Melbourne".

In either case you don't know what time to call Melbourne. You either need to know a complicated and inconsistent system of time zones, or you just ask the same question in terms of when the sun rises and sets. You don't get out of asking a question, you don't lose any information (there is a 1 to 1 equivalence between what time it is somewhere and when its noon there, you could ask either question and have the exact same thought process comparing a time to "safe" hours to call someone).

That article argues that the current system is some miraculous saver of sanity by solving all the problems associated with telling if someone is "awake" or not in a certain time zone. Except I have two cousins, both living in the same time zone, one of which wakes up at 6am and the other wakes up at 4pm.

Also, from personal experience calling people both without and with substantial time zone difference, you never know when its a good time to call someone else. They might have had a long day and took a nap. They might not be home when you think they would be. They might be engaged in an activity they don't want to be distracted from. For practical uses of synchronous communication you need to have agreements on when to call in the first place.

If I'm calling someone I know, its because I know from experience when they are available, relative to my time. It does not matter if they are in Munich or Tokyo or down the street, I need to know in advance their availability for that call regardless of silly contrivances like the culturally normative sleep cycles of the region I'm calling into.

Because at the end of the day, there are still tens of thousands of people in Melbourne working the night shift.

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