"Sunshine Protection Act" oh ffs
Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple
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#112"Even if the governor signs the bill, nothing will happen now. Congress, rived over tariffs and gun control and immigration, would have to act on clocks — or the Transportation Department would have to issue a new regulation, an option the Florida legislation does not mention."
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#113I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.
I'd rather they just remove numbers from most 'clocks' (for humans) and instead define things like "morning" "lunch" "evening" as official designations relative to UTC (but humans would normally not see that offset) and list times like... (City) Morning + 2.5 hours
how does that make anything easier or better? Every locality will still have a "morning" designation, so when you schedule a meeting with your coworker across the country, you still need to look up his "morning" time so you don't schedule it before he gets to work.
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#114I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.
So you want to abolish time zones: https://qntm.org/abolish
Seems like a long winded way of saying "We use time to figure out where the sun is".
Obviously, there are many other non-sun-oriented uses of time, most of which are immensely complicated by timezones.
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#115> The problem? Florida doesn’t have the authority to adopt daylight saving time year-round. > The federal government controls the nation’s time zones, as well as the start and end dates of daylight saving time. States can choose to exempt themselves from daylight saving time — Arizona and Hawaii do — but nothing in federal law allows them to exempt themselves from standard time.
Could we end up with two time zones applied to the same region depending on the jurisdictional context?
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#116> In parts of Maine, for example, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, the sun sets before 4 p.m. — more than an hour earlier than it does in Detroit, at the other end of the Eastern time zone. Why is the solution "permanent daylight savings"? Why is it not "let's split up the timezones better"?
Or, why is the solution not "who cares, we have electric lights."?
Because daylight has positive effects on most people's wellbeing?
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#117> In parts of Maine, for example, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, the sun sets before 4 p.m. — more than an hour earlier than it does in Detroit, at the other end of the Eastern time zone. Why is the solution "permanent daylight savings"? Why is it not "let's split up the timezones better"?
The problem is that in parts of the Northeast, permanent EST would have significant deficiencies in the summer while permanent EST-1 would have significant deficiencies in the winter.
Permanent EST: As it is, the sun rises in Boston before 5:30 AM from May 9-July 25, 2.5 months. With permanent EST, the sun would rise before 4:30 AM for those 2.5 months. People would much rather have that sunlight later in the day when they can enjoy it after work, etc.
Permanent EST-1: As it is, the sun rises in Boston after 7 AM from Dec 7-Jan 30. With permanent EST-1, the sun would rise after 8 for those ~2 months. This would be a real danger for kids walking to school. Shifting the school day isn't straightforward because of parents work schedules, etc.
The response to these is inevitably that we could shift our lives around to adjust to a permanent EST or EST-1, but such shifts would be much more disruptive than people think. It's easy to make a change like this in a southern state -- less so the further north you go.
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#118commenters seem to be missing the sentence about "Florida doesn’t have the authority to adopt daylight saving time year-round." this is just state politicians being state politicians. Nothing to see here. Lets just say Florida politicians probably have more important things to do and aren't doing them, and leave it at that.
The law is (as is not entirely uncommon in State laws) explicitly conditioned on a change in federal law allowing permanent DST.
Of course, since States do have the authority permanently opt-out of DST and which base zone states used is a matter of federal-state consultation, the usual method suggested for a state to go on "permanent DST" is to opt out of DST, but move one zone East (so for Florida, instead of Central/Eastern, use Eastern/Atlantic.)
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#119I wouldn't mind everyone moving to UTC. Sure, only people in Greenwich would be able to eat lunch at 12 noon. But at least it would simplify my life as a programmer.
No it wouldn't -- users of your applications will still want to see "human" time in different areas, so rather than a (relatively) well defined Timezone standard, you'll need to keep a table of accepted working hours, meal times, etc for each region. At least now you can tell them that it's 5pm in their selected area so they can decide what that means.
This is the exact problem it would solve, once "everyone" had actually switched.