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YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by spicymaki »

throwaway0255 wrote: post #158
danieltillett wrote: post #19

The thing I hate about actions like this is what it does to talented people who fit some diversity quota checklist, both in the perception they have of themselves and those of other people. If you are a talented melanin-rich woman you are going to face both heightened impostor syndrome and dismissal by others that you only got the job because of some quota. Not good for anyone. There are no easy solutions, but it wou…

Tell that to the white and asian males who get rejected on the basis of their race and gender despite having worked their entire lives to be the most qualified and technically adept candidate. I'm pretty sure impostor syndrome is a problem they would love to have. Instead they got the entire course of their careers (and lives) stepped on by bigoted racists and sexists. I know your comment has to be the top one becaus…

I am trying to wrap my head around this. The level of black employees at Google is at 2% and actually dropped since 2016. How fair is it to say from a statistical point of view that if you did not get hired, you lost out to a lesser qualified black person and not someone from a white or asian of equal or more qualifications? I pick on the black statistic specifically because at the end of the day the blow back for these perceived diversity programs lands on this group in particular.

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Post by drwl »

EGreg wrote: post #134
ghostcluster wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So when the NBA hires for job qualifications like height, skill and performance, that's OK. But for tech positions they should actively discriminate against skilled applicants because maybe somebody else ought to do it? The NBA is actively recruiting/training for elite talent in China: http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/12/news/companies/china-nba-bas...

I think you TOTALLY misunderstood my point. Which was: how come drwl accepts the status quo with NBA and not with programmers? Why do they simply assume that some qualities are more prevalent with Blacks but not with males? I am not taking a position in my comment one way or the other, just pointing out a potential double standard so the reader can make their own conclusions by reconciling them :) I assume you are cl…

Correct me if I'm not understanding your argument. What I'm reading is that your argument is there is a "diversity" problem in the NBA and that comes from discrimination against non-blacks. And that this is the same discrimination mentioned in the article?

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Post by whatyoucantsay »

aqsheehy wrote: post #54

Shouldn't the demographics of new google hires look roughly like the demographics of university graduates? If say 80% of graduates are men, how could google hit gender parity without discriminating?

Only if you believe that uni credentials are synonymous with capability.

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Post by spicymaki »

ttoinou wrote: post #176
staunch wrote: post #14

I suspect Google, YouTube, YC, and many other Silicon Valley companies have followed a similar pattern: Step #1 Discriminate against the lower classes through a biased hiring process that favors upper class people over more qualified members of the 99%. A system of "culture" tests, nepotism, and simple favoritism. The "elite" investors fund the "elite" founders which hire "elite" friends. Step #2 Realize your policy…

Did you run a business that hired employees without biases, word of mouth, entry tests and friendly cronyism ? Show us the right path

I am curious too. Some commentators are saying well if you just make discrimination not happen anymore then there will be no discrimination. Problem solved!

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Post by aliston »

spicymaki wrote: post #201
throwaway0255 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to the white and asian males who get rejected on the basis of their race and gender despite having worked their entire lives to be the most qualified and technically adept candidate. I'm pretty sure impostor syndrome is a problem they would love to have. Instead they got the entire course of their careers (and lives) stepped on by bigoted racists and sexists. I know your comment has to be the top one becaus…

I am trying to wrap my head around this. The level of black employees at Google is at 2% and actually dropped since 2016. How fair is it to say from a statistical point of view that if you did not get hired, you lost out to a lesser qualified black person and not someone from a white or asian of equal or more qualifications? I pick on the black statistic specifically because at the end of the day the blow back for th…

You’re correct that the difference is in the margins. But, at the end of the day, is any exclusion based on race acceptable? From my perspective, it’s hypocritical to champion equal opportunity while systematically having a different hiring process for different races, not to mention illegal.

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Post by bitL »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #194
bitL wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know an Indian guy with a Spanish name. Not sure if he recently decided to be trans as well ;-) I guess YMMV.

Spanish or Portuguese? There's a lot of Indian people with Portuguese surnames from around Goa, but I'd think that Spanish would be very uncommon, unless it's their first name.

Definitely Spanish, both first name and surname.

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Post by mesozoic »

neerkumar wrote: post #8

Anyone who has worked for a large tech company in SF in the last 3/4 years knows that this has happened everywhere. In fairness, Google was one of the very last ones among large tech companies to play the quota game. But the problem is that that's a game that once the first company starts playing it, everyone else is forced to play it too. Company X publishes a report with amazing diversity numbers and brands itself…

It's a false logical conclusion really (just as most things related to postmodernism and enforced equality of outcome through diversity are).

You could just as easily reason that companies who aren't implementing these policies and actually hiring based on individual qualifications and not group identity will out compete their competitors in the free market. They'll surely get bad press for a while but eventually their haters will get tired and move on to the next news cycle. In the mean time the company has hired all of the "undesirable" straight white and Asian males (not intentionally but only because their value in the market has been artificially depressed) and they are easily outpacing the productivity of their rival firms.

As the postmodernists reject possible logical conclusions from their actions and claim organization power they will eventually come face to face with the free capitalist market and the firms they overtake will fail. That is of course if they can't act quickly enough in manifesting their utopian vision of the destruction of capitalism itself.

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Post by heurist »

dhf17 wrote: post #199

I grew up in a somewhat cult like church environment. Speaking in tongues, adults laughing uncontrollably on the floor, people falling out after the laying on of hands. Although I respect Christianity and the values it teaches, looking back on my particular church environment, it seemed deep into lunacy territory. What's your point, you might be wondering... The point is at the time it seemed completely normal. Somet…

Guess you haven't watched Fox since you turned the TV back on... Really think you're overstating the positions liberals are putting forward. Also, your comment has no critical disagreement s with the positions themselves so I have to wonder if you're just trolling.

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Post by protomyth »

spicymaki wrote: post #180
netheril96 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This starts with the [diversity pledge]( http://thehill.com/policy/technology/284517-white-house-pres... ) pushed by Obama administration, including companies like Airbnb, Box, GitHub, GoDaddy, Intel, Lyft, Medium. No wonder many Asians sigh relief when Clinton failed her presidency, or she surely would have pushed for more.

That is not accurate according to 2016 votes: http://aaldef.org/TheAsianAmericanVote2016-AALDEF.pdf 79% of Asians voted for Clinton.

Out of curiosity, how did they get the cast ballots with the voters race to do their count? Polling, particularly in the last election, was atrocious.

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Post by stale2002 »

ilamont wrote: post #15

Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims. Anyone from Google or YouTube--or people who applied to work at either org in this time frame--have perspectives to add regarding this claim?

> Anyone from Google or YouTube--or people who applied to work at either org in this time frame--have perspectives to add regarding this claim?

I'm a white male and received a Google offer 8 month ago (turned it down to go work at twitch, because I love gaming). So this is not an across the board discrimination against EVERYONE, if that is what you were implying.

I am just 1 person among thousands, though, so I guess you'd have to get info from someone who applied exactly in the spring, to youtube, and had their interview cancelled.

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