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Re: China’s web censors go into overdrive as President Xi Jinping consolidates power

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Post by briga »

IntronExon wrote: post #46
briga wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off the top of my head: Solon, Trajan, Hadrian, Marcus Aurelius, Akbar, Charlemange There are many more examples, those are just some that come to mind right away. You can argue whether or not they were "good", but they certainly did good things for their empires.

I too yearn for the good old days of the Massacre of Verden, and forced religious conversion under penalty of death. ...and a bunch of Roman emperors. I prefer modern politics to that of imperial Rome, thanks. Oh, and Solon. Arguably a truly great man, but um... After completing his work of reform, Solon surrendered his extraordinary authority and left the country. According to Herodotus[123] the country was bound by…

Even the greatest emperor isn't going to fix all of the ills of society. What matters is what they can achieve during their time in power. If tomorrow some all-knowing wise leader were be elected to power in China, do you really think there would be no problems? That corruption and violence would vanish? You have to look at the historical context of their reigns.

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Post by smaili »

phyller wrote: post #28

It's amazing to me how China is so effectively creating a 1984-type situation without much stir among the rest of the world. These chat programs are super important for everyday life in China. The same company that provides chatting also provides your ability to pay for everything, and a credit score that determines what you can buy, how much you pay, and more. So if you say something you shouldn't, this could very e…

> So if you say something you shouldn't, this could very easily be something where your entire life is destroyed.

According to the article, this has already happened: Over on WeChat’s top messaging service, there were reports that some users had been banned or restricted based on the content they had shared. WeChat owner Tencent has disputed claims that it stores or reads chat logs, but — regardless — the app includes a social media-like feed where users can share public messages with friends.

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Post by davesque »

phyller wrote: post #28

It's amazing to me how China is so effectively creating a 1984-type situation without much stir among the rest of the world. These chat programs are super important for everyday life in China. The same company that provides chatting also provides your ability to pay for everything, and a credit score that determines what you can buy, how much you pay, and more. So if you say something you shouldn't, this could very e…

At this rate, it seems reasonable to assume they'd use a kill vehicle to take the satellites out.

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Post by vthallam »

abecedarius wrote: post #49
gigatexal wrote: post #17

I hope that in my lifetime we see a revolution in China that overthrows the current authoritarian state and things like the great firewall and quasi-private/state run agencies go the way of the dodo bird. Unfortunately I don't see big American companies doing anything but continuing to court China and their growing class of wealthy consumers.

Google did not. There are things I dislike about the company, but they deserve props for that.

Exactly. Unlike Facebook which actively try to get into the Chinese market, Google doesn't try as much or it seems like it.

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Post by davesque »

tonylinn80 wrote: post #14
eddieplan9 wrote: post #9

Many sites hosted outside of China that Chinese expats frequent (like http://mitbbs.com ) have also been flooded with pro-amendment messages. Google Translate of the site: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&...

Not surprising at all. In fact, many of the Chinese expats (visitors of mitbbs.com) are pro-china in general. They become less agreeing to western values after spending years in US. (I am one of those examples myself)

I'm inclined to believe you're not legit.

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Post by Accacin »

yusuke10 wrote: post #35
briga wrote: post #20

From the outside looking in it seems like Xi has been doing a great job leading China. Are there any serious contenders for Chinese leadership like Navalny in Russia? Not to mention that historically there have been many excellent leaders who rules for decades. An arbitrary term limit can be useful to prevent corruption, but it's also the reason for the fiasco that is Washington in 2018.

> From the outside looking in Exactly, there's your problem. China is suffering from 300%+ debt, capital outflows (hidden, unreported), fake gdp growth (several provinces have claimed 20-30% fake revenue), demographics time bomb, middle income trap, shrinking population (800M estimated in 2100), corruption, pollution, belligerent behaviors against all its neighbors (Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Australia, Ind…

I don't tend to agree with China, but there doing what a lot of economists have been saying they need to do for years.

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Post by antichronology »

tonylinn80 wrote: post #31
cornholio wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One should asume "pro-China" means against dictatorship and presidents for life, right? There is no people or culture on Earth that stands to gain from oligarchy.

You'd be surprised how many people in China are seriously pro-amendment, and agrees that Xi should have a 3rd term or more. Though it's probably also true that tons of people are shocked by the news

Probably similar to how a lot of Russian people are unwaveringly support Putin's continuous rule

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Post by sidcool »

tonylinn80 wrote: post #42
aphextron wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Can you explain which values you're referring to and why you don't agree with them? I can imagine that personal property rights and freedom of speech are not included in that list of disagreeable values.

democracy, to begin with... at least American style of democracy

Elaborate.

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Post by yusuke10 »

api wrote: post #50
aaron-lebo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What scares me more is the cheerleading and defense of this in the West, and the way this is voluntarily happening here. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J24C0TI This is a telescreen.

China's GDP is doing great, and GDP growth is the only thing that matters to quite a few people.

FAKE gdp. most likely 0% gdp growth, if not negative.

China’s 2015 GDP Was Exaggerated By Fake Data, Analysis Shows (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-01/china-s-2...)

Another Chinese city admits 'fake' economic data (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-data/anothe...)

This Is How China's Regions Fare in the Fake GDP Data Stakes (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-19/this-is-h...)

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