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China’s web censors go into overdrive as President Xi Jinping consolidates power

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Re: China’s web censors go into overdrive as President Xi Jinping consolidates power

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Post by Analemma_ »

tonylinn80 wrote: post #14
eddieplan9 wrote: post #9

Many sites hosted outside of China that Chinese expats frequent (like http://mitbbs.com ) have also been flooded with pro-amendment messages. Google Translate of the site: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&...

Not surprising at all. In fact, many of the Chinese expats (visitors of mitbbs.com) are pro-china in general. They become less agreeing to western values after spending years in US. (I am one of those examples myself)

> green account created 2 days ago to post on news about Xi abolishing term limits

I'm curious, do you literally get 50 cents for each of these posts, or are you salaried?

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Post by cornholio »

tonylinn80 wrote: post #14
eddieplan9 wrote: post #9

Many sites hosted outside of China that Chinese expats frequent (like http://mitbbs.com ) have also been flooded with pro-amendment messages. Google Translate of the site: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&...

Not surprising at all. In fact, many of the Chinese expats (visitors of mitbbs.com) are pro-china in general. They become less agreeing to western values after spending years in US. (I am one of those examples myself)

One should asume "pro-China" means against dictatorship and presidents for life, right?

There is no people or culture on Earth that stands to gain from oligarchy.

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Post by aphextron »

Abundnce10 wrote: post #16
tonylinn80 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not surprising at all. In fact, many of the Chinese expats (visitors of mitbbs.com) are pro-china in general. They become less agreeing to western values after spending years in US. (I am one of those examples myself)

> They become less agreeing to western values after spending years in US. (I am one of those examples myself) Can you explain which values you're referring to and why you don't agree with them?

>Can you explain which values you're referring to and why you don't agree with them?

I can imagine that personal property rights and freedom of speech are not included in that list of disagreeable values.

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Post by yusuke10 »

eddieplan9 wrote: post #9

Many sites hosted outside of China that Chinese expats frequent (like http://mitbbs.com ) have also been flooded with pro-amendment messages. Google Translate of the site: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&...

Alot of Chinese wanting to vent frustration but can't in China's social networks have moved onto reddit.

"Why I even cannot speak" https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/80hc82/why_i_even_ca...

"I JUST WANNA CRY" https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/80ashy/i_just_wanna_...

"听着国际歌，泪停不下来 Cant stop crying while listening to the Internationale" https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/80c7mo/%E5%90%AC%E7%...

Re: China’s web censors go into overdrive as President Xi Jinping consolidates power

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Post by analogmemory »

justinzollars wrote: post #13

Interesting, a day and a half later Trump announces he is running for a second term: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brad-parscale-trump-2020-campag...

He filed papers to run right after he was sworn in. His campaign office never closed. They just named a campaign manager today.

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Post by echevil »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #15

I could go downtown tonight, stand on the street corner, and shout "F--- the president!" at the top of my lungs. What would happen? I might get dirty looks. I might get some people shaking my hand. And I might - might - get an angry tweet from the president. I probably would not get either arrested or beaten up. (And this isn't a political statement. I could have done the same under the previous president, with the s…

I think it's more just because of them afraid of "losing face" like almost all Chinese people do. That's quite deep in Chinese culture.

Even the most powerful emperors in Chinese history (who would have nothing to be afraid of) still executes those who talked ill of them

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Post by phyller »

It's amazing to me how China is so effectively creating a 1984-type situation without much stir among the rest of the world. These chat programs are super important for everyday life in China. The same company that provides chatting also provides your ability to pay for everything, and a credit score that determines what you can buy, how much you pay, and more. So if you say something you shouldn't, this could very easily be something where your entire life is destroyed. If they choose, these ultimately government controlled companies can easily make it so you can't buy things anymore, you are not trusted anywhere, and even your friends all disconnect with you because your bad score could affect theirs.

Pretty scary.

It will be interesting to see how the Chinese government reacts to globally available, unfiltered internet via satellite, like the one SpaceX is making https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellat...

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Post by antichronology »

ilamont wrote: post #18

I have one Chinese friend who employs a double entendre, calling him "Xitler" In all seriousness, this is a black period for Chinese people and China's neighbors. The fledgling democracy in Hong Kong, and democratic nations around China's periphery including Taiwan, Japan, Nepal, and India should be very wary dealing with a strongman who will stop at nothing to further his power and nationalism-focused legacy.

I wonder if it will have some sort of long term impact on the economy. Is there a way of measuring relative government authoritarianism on economic development of a nation?

Re: China’s web censors go into overdrive as President Xi Jinping consolidates power

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Post by ythn »

briga wrote: post #20

From the outside looking in it seems like Xi has been doing a great job leading China. Are there any serious contenders for Chinese leadership like Navalny in Russia? Not to mention that historically there have been many excellent leaders who rules for decades. An arbitrary term limit can be useful to prevent corruption, but it's also the reason for the fiasco that is Washington in 2018.

> Not to mention that historically there have been many excellent leaders who rules for decades

There are probably more historical examples of not-so-excellent (incompetent, evil, tyrannical, etc) leaders ruling for decades than excellent ones. The problem with tyranny is that the only way out is revolution. You may have an excellent dictator for decades, but then he dies and his son/crony/not-so-excellent replacement arrives for the next N decades...

At least with Trump there are a variety of strategies besides bloodshed to get rid of him if people decide they don't like him.

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