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Marginal levels of immature and/or antisocial elements don't mean that society is sexist, no matter how vocal those trolls may be.
No, society tolerating those vocal trolls does mean that society is sexist. "The standard you walk past, is the standard you accept" - Lt. Gen. David Morrison
What change in society would count as not tolerating these trolls?
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"Sexism is actually everywhere" is an extremely strong statement. Such a strong statement requires an extraordinary amount of work (going far beyond mere observations) to be proven. I personally would be very interested to know why "Julia" is being insulted much more than "Eric", but saying "this is because of sexism" is no better than saying that "the sun is bright because it shines".
"Julia" isn't being insulted more than "Eric" because of sexism. "Julia" being insulted more than "Eric" is sexism. The causes of sexism is another subject. But the first step is to acknowledge sexism is going on in the first place.
How do you jump to that conclusion? For instance, where did you isolated other factors, such as personality or communication style or clients who engaged them? What was the result of placing a man using a female avatar or a woman using a man avatar? Do rude comments directed at woman count as sexism as well?
Amazing. The author spends a lot of time to tell us a very convincing story how sexism affects people in our industry, and the Hacker News thread is full of people rationalizing it. - it's only because people think you're a bot - it's because of your target audience - it's because chat widgets are annoying - you don't really have enough data to make any conclusions How much will it take to convince the average HN rea…
"How much will it take to convince the average HN reader that sexism actually is everywhere?" I presume those that think this way either have no female friends or have not asked them about it. Men generally don't get catcalls or get their body fondled by strangers.
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Actually, people are colder and more abusive towards those less good-looking. The case described in the article is not due to beauty. It's because people think it's a bot or at least a fake photo. That's what irritates them.
But then why would you harass a bot?
Amazing. The author spends a lot of time to tell us a very convincing story how sexism affects people in our industry, and the Hacker News thread is full of people rationalizing it. - it's only because people think you're a bot - it's because of your target audience - it's because chat widgets are annoying - you don't really have enough data to make any conclusions How much will it take to convince the average HN rea…
I wonder what you expected. Actually, for most of us its not shocking, as that is exactly the internet we know for some time now. Have you ever been around when some 15ish boys are in a small group? They keep saying such crap the whole day. Some of us eventually grow up some day, but some seem to be stuck in their puberty forever.
I don't like it either, but I haven't found a cure for that disease yet. I mean in some online gaming communities its daily business and when you hear those guys grunting into their microphone you are very happy to have mute buttons and kick/ban vote systems (telling them to stop doesn't seem to have a positive effect on the situation).
The difference here seems to be that, you don't have to play online games, but when you work in our industry you have to cope with such crap.
Btw. whats wrong about 'rationalizing' things? I mean your list just shows quotes of people missing the point.
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Your interjection here isn't answering a question I asked. Are you saying that because men are more likely to face harassment, that women are not harassed more when they present as women online?
I think it answers the question quite well. Since men are harrassed more online, they tend to be unsympathetical when women complain of online harrasment, knowing women already experience somewhat less harrasment than men.
I don't know what's worse[0], the fact that Ms. Enthoven has to go through all this simply because she's a woman, or the fact that half the comments on this story are people trying to make excuses[1] for this type of behavior. Wow! [0] I do. Obviously what Ms. Enthoven has to go through is worse. [1] People think it's a bot. People hate chat popups. The photo is fake. Your math is wrong! Etc... SMH...
And here I was thinking that HN was one of the last bastions of internet civility and manners... SMH indeed...
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Marginal levels of immature and/or antisocial elements don't mean that society is sexist, no matter how vocal those trolls may be.
No, society tolerating those vocal trolls does mean that society is sexist. "The standard you walk past, is the standard you accept" - Lt. Gen. David Morrison
Actually that just means society tolerates trolls. You're showing your bias by jumping to the conclusion that everything is sexism or that somehow antisocial and immature people only target women.
Furthermore, western society actually holds in high regard concepts such as frer speech, which covers idiots being able to say idiotic things.
Amazing. The author spends a lot of time to tell us a very convincing story how sexism affects people in our industry, and the Hacker News thread is full of people rationalizing it. - it's only because people think you're a bot - it's because of your target audience - it's because chat widgets are annoying - you don't really have enough data to make any conclusions How much will it take to convince the average HN rea…
I would love to see this experiment done as a function of time of day in the user’s IP location. There have already been studies showing higher rates of abusive behavior towards women from low-status males[1] and if internet activity follows general population entertainment consumption trends from television we can infer that there is a higher likelihood of someone being low-status active on the internet during daytime working hours.
1. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjourna...