Would I be able to unsubscribe directly from whatever marketing email I received instead of marking it as spam and have Gmail AI suggesting me to unsubscribe or me having to go to the unsubscribe web-page of the marketing campaign?
Bringing AMP to Gmail
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#92For those who are frustrated by this, if you can, please show others that there are other options (just like you have done with DuckDuckGo) and switch to any of these (listing only those that are cheap enough to have multiple mailboxes without spending several hundred dollars a year):
1. Posteo.de
2. Mailbox.org
3. Tutanota.com
4. Protonmail.ch
I know some people can run their own setup. The above are for people who cannot or do not want to do it.
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#93Will adblockers be able to prevent the AMP version being displayed, at least? Or does it look like gmail web interface will only serve that version?
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#94Can you just mine my data unobtrousively instead of screwing with every service I stupidly provide my lifes details? Already migrating, not because of the obvious privacy issues, but useability. How can a company that profits by knowing what people think and talk about, see so little of the house collapsing around them? Even free isn't cheap enough, it has to work. I think I speak for a fair number of HN readers when…
YES - the broken booleans!
Also, RIP talk. Hangouts is a joke and is what killed me using it
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#95Why the negativity? If google doesn't innovate in open web technologies, then closed systems will win, in this case Slack. Sure, bummer that they used the much-maligned "AMP" name and double-bummer that they didn't build a coalition among email client-writers first, incl Outlook.
My assumption us that AMP4email will get replaced by a truly-open standard (aka multi-vendor support), following the same path as Google's early R&D efforts in browser local storage and improved networking.
Google: what I'd really like to see is a way to authenticate between email sender-receiver (perhaps a one-time, OAuth-like dance with a website?). In addition to nuking certain forms of phishing attacks, users could [reasonably safely] conduct e-commerce inside the email client (much faster, more consistent etc)... kinda like wechat, etc.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope email disappears. It has no security, bad tooling and software, weird protocols. Ip reputation has long been a thing in email. You can own IRC as well. I feel like your 3 cons are my three pros.
> It has no security Little communication software out there can be made as secure and resilient as email. Two people out there can run their mail servers on a laptop or a raspberry pi. Email is easily encrypted with TLS and GPG on top. The initial setup for this could take less than 2 hours. Bonus points: everything could be run from a *sh shell, 1 CPU core and 128 RAM is quite enough. > bad tooling and software Pos…
Resilient and secure compared to regular snail mail, you must mean.
You're dangerously wrong about the security of email...
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google/Microsoft didn't kill email, spam did. Google/Microsoft then salvaged from the abyss something largely similar to email, but with some limbs all but severed.
Spam put centralised commercial e-mail ( ISPs and web-mail ) into critical condition until the web-mail hosts reacted to save themselves. But as for the little folk who are less of a target: I have run my own mail server for 18 years and can't imagine I've received more than 100 spams in total. And that is without any defences other than SPF. ISP e-mail, well that is certainly spammed to death but probably for the be…
I also run my own email server, and I've received 400+ spam emails this year alone, just from the eBay leak of 2014 :) Thankfully I use a different address for each service, so I blackholed that to the spam folder and created a new one.
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#98I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
The only reason they can do this is because of the abuse of email. Getting email from everyone means getting email from every spammer every day. Anyone could stand up their own email server, or grab a new address from their ISP or Yahoo or a zillion other free/cheap email hosts. But Google dominates because they reduce the amount of crap their users have to put up with. Blacklists are a feature that users seek out.
We've crowdsourced our adblocking lists without much of a trouble, so I don't think that we would have some problems with doing the same for spam accounts (or domains).
On the other hand, you can't easily import an email blacklist as you can an adblock list, so there's a problem that will never get solved in popular email hosting providers.
Whitelisting certain IP ranges/domains/whatever will never get us to our goal. Making sure the spam filters are 100% accurate is too much of a task for one company (heck, just this week, I missed an email from the embassy because the Zoho filter thought it was spam).
We've proven that crowdsourcing works already, but there are some nitpicks to be solved (what if an email account gets hijacked and later on returned to their original owners?), the biggest one of which is for Gmail, Outlook and others to support the import of such lists instead of mining data (something they're unwilling to do).
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet I still use email because I am no longer inundated with spam thanks to the likes of Google and Microsoft. Without them I'd have given up on email altogether.
I run a mailserver with bogofilter, which, with a few months of training, is surprisingly effective. Before that, dspam was also very effective. Spamhaus makes a decent effort on providing blacklists. I don't see what google and M$ is bringing to the table, apart from pain for indie (still validly configured with DMARC, DKIM, SPF) mailservers.
> I don't see what google and M$ is bringing to the table
It depends on which perspective you're using. A company paying staff to host private mail infrastructure? Individuals who aren't in a position to take on that workload and/or those who choose just not to?
Google and Microsoft are providing fairly effective spam and malware filtering to the masses with options to classify emails using at most a couple clicks. That's pretty much out of the box experience and doesn't involve setting up and training Bayesian filters for months.
For the longest time Gmail offered email threads that were more intuitive than implementations found in other email clients with sent messages presented in related correspondence. Although other clients and webmail services seem to do that now as well.
Using free services is a trade-off but individuals who choose to partake clearly benefit in some ways.
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#100I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
Email is already fucked. In my experience Gmail often failed to receive emails from services like Yandex and Zoho. Plenty of people here that setup their own servers, and know what they are doing, getting randomly blacklisted. Maybe it's fine if email is not central to your life or business but if there's even a, let's say, 10% chance of my emails not getting delivered to Mr Google I have no other option than to bend…
It's a tragedy. The people who designed SMTP went to insane lengths to make sure mail was delivered. The people who initially implemented it did the same. Then the "free" mailbox providers fucked it all up. I host my own email, and I now have no clue as to whether it will be delivered.