I read the post and I have still no idea what is this about.
They say that the spec is available. But where? They link to https://github.com/ampproject , which is just a list of projects, none of which seem relevant.
Bringing AMP to Gmail
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the other hand, I’ve had only good experiences with self-hosting my email. I’ve never had issues with being blacklisted or anything. But I’ve been sending with SPF + DKIM + DMARC + ADSP all configured and enabled since day one, and with TLS transport for all sent emails. That usually gives a major boost in trustworthiness.
This matches my experience as well. I rarely if ever get sent to a spam folder. And afaik, I've never been blacklisted after ~5 years.
I have everything properly set up, and wasn’t blacklisted once in any service since 2002.... until 3 months ago, when Google decided to blacklist my domain, but only randomly (e.g. mails sent to same person on same day get delivered to inbox or spam seemingly based on a coin toss).
The only clue I have so far is that in some discussion, it was mentioned that google penalizes a domain of a lot of different emails from it get forwarded to google - and I do have my catchall forwarded to a gmail box.
We now live in a world where google can make you and your communication channels disappear, and they don’t really answer to anyone.
Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail
#43I wonder if there is some part of the tech stack Google is not willing to mess with, imposing solutions because of the user base and not necessarily by technical merits and sane complexity/gain balance.
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#44I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
I hope email disappears. It has no security, bad tooling and software, weird protocols. Ip reputation has long been a thing in email. You can own IRC as well. I feel like your 3 cons are my three pros.
> It has no security
Little communication software out there can be made as secure and resilient as email.
Two people out there can run their mail servers on a laptop or a raspberry pi. Email is easily encrypted with TLS and GPG on top.
The initial setup for this could take less than 2 hours.
Bonus points: everything could be run from a *sh shell, 1 CPU core and 128 RAM is quite enough.
> bad tooling and software
Postfix (and HAProxy for that matter) are some of the best pieces of software I have the pleasure to work with. Very good docs, I personally haven't seen them crash and have a way to never take you by surprise.
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#45I’m curious, what you all think the future of email is? I am finding that I use it less and less each year. How much are you using it compared to previous years? - My friend communication is done almost strictly through messaging services - work communication is done through Slack and Jira (yuck) I feel like email for me has become this awkward auth-proxy. It’s how I magic link in, “confirm” who I am, reset my passwo…
I use email every day.
I'm not limited by characters. Sending an image doesn't cost a fortune. It's much easier to attach files like zips, and to extract them on the other end.
What's the advantage of SMS? It just seems like a poorly stripped down email service, with more control from carriers.
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#46I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
The only reason they can do this is because of the abuse of email. Getting email from everyone means getting email from every spammer every day. Anyone could stand up their own email server, or grab a new address from their ISP or Yahoo or a zillion other free/cheap email hosts. But Google dominates because they reduce the amount of crap their users have to put up with. Blacklists are a feature that users seek out.
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#47I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
Google/Microsoft didn't kill email, spam did. Google/Microsoft then salvaged from the abyss something largely similar to email, but with some limbs all but severed.
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#48Google brings their advertising machine to email. Goodbye gmail. Can't say I'm surprised.
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#49I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
Why is it the only form? You can certainly run your own IRC or Jabber server or something. I don't understand why you think only email can be run top to bottom. Unfortunately email became stupid a long time ago. Partly thanks to braindead clients like Outhouse and partly thanks to Gmail. Remember when Gmail came out and they advertised "threads" as a feature? Yeah... we had threads before Outhouse et al. proliferated…
Threads that don't play nice with any other e-mail client, where Thudnerbird drafts would just fill up your thread history to the point it wouldn't make sense.
And terribly broken IMAP support that wouldn't use IMAP labels, but instead transfer a separate copy of an e-mail to multiple folders if it had multiple labels.
I thought Gmail was amazing when I first got it, and by 2012 I started running my own e-mail server when I realize it was a usability nightmare.
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#50I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…
Google and Microsoft certainly did not help, but let's not forget that many of these features were made to combat spam which got more sophisticated over time. Having all mail delivered all the time, trusting everybody on the web and so on was fine when internet was for enthusiasts. In today's environment, however, plain old e-mail has insufficient protection and overly optimistic design.