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Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by Mononokay »

heartbreak wrote: post #57
cup-of-tea wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it the only form? You can certainly run your own IRC or Jabber server or something. I don't understand why you think only email can be run top to bottom. Unfortunately email became stupid a long time ago. Partly thanks to braindead clients like Outhouse and partly thanks to Gmail. Remember when Gmail came out and they advertised "threads" as a feature? Yeah... we had threads before Outhouse et al. proliferated…

It's pretty confusing to refer to Microsoft Outlook as "Outhouse."

Very Stallman-esque.

https://stallman.org/apple.html

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by Eridrus »

siavash wrote: post #3

What really are the long term motivations for Google to promote and push AMP so much?

The long term benefits are that they stem the bleeding of everything moving inside mobile apps. They need content on the web to remain useful and developers have shown they're unable to make good mobile experiences themselves.

I think this particular move is more tactical than strategic. I think it provides a better experience for users and keeps Pinterest, one of the main AMP users, happy with Google.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by pmlnr »

yoz-y wrote: post #50
pmlnr wrote: post #4

I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…

Google and Microsoft certainly did not help, but let's not forget that many of these features were made to combat spam which got more sophisticated over time. Having all mail delivered all the time, trusting everybody on the web and so on was fine when internet was for enthusiasts. In today's environment, however, plain old e-mail has insufficient protection and overly optimistic design.

Bayesian filtering is surprisingly decent, if it has a feedback loop. Trust by default, and let users train spam filtering, based on a generic, prepopulated filter database.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by ReverseCold »

jonmarkgo wrote: post #62
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #5

How about offering an opt-out for AMP before piling on more crap ?

I noticed that AMP has recently started adding 'apps' to my launcher in Android. I visited Vimeo.com in mobile Chrome and then suddenly a Vimeo app icon with a little AMP symbol showed up in my launcher without any opt-in.

I think that's Android instant apps, not amp. It's a new Android feature that let's you use supported websites in their native app without having to download the app.

I'm not sure why it showed up on your home screen; it's not supposed to do that. What phone/launcher/Android version are you using?

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by mediumdeviation »

tandav wrote: post #30

The UI of site is total crap full of dickbars.

It's amazing how the world's largest internet company cannot build a good blog. I don't know why Google is so insecure it thinks it needs to resort to the same tactics used by third-rate blogspam sites to keep users reading their blog posts.

This is what the site looks like with both sticky bars open on my 900px high screen. This is atrocious. https://i.imgur.com/o5hcENG.png

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by jwilk »

adewale wrote: post #64
jwilk wrote: post #41

I read the post and I have still no idea what is this about. They say that the spec is available. But where? They link to https://github.com/ampproject , which is just a list of projects, none of which seem relevant.

The spec is here: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/13457

Thanks! I see the link in the blog post is now fixed.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by nkrisc »

pmlnr wrote: post #4

I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…

And yet I still use email because I am no longer inundated with spam thanks to the likes of Google and Microsoft. Without them I'd have given up on email altogether.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by pmlnr »

nkrisc wrote: post #78
pmlnr wrote: post #4

I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…

And yet I still use email because I am no longer inundated with spam thanks to the likes of Google and Microsoft. Without them I'd have given up on email altogether.

I run a mailserver with bogofilter, which, with a few months of training, is surprisingly effective. Before that, dspam was also very effective. Spamhaus makes a decent effort on providing blacklists. I don't see what google and M$ is bringing to the table, apart from pain for indie (still validly configured with DMARC, DKIM, SPF) mailservers.
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