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“Study Death Always”: Seneca’s advice for living centered on dying

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Re: “Study Death Always”: Seneca’s advice for living centered on dying

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I wrote this in response to someone asking about other Stoic writings who, in the interim, deleted their response, so I'll post it as a stand-alone response:

I'm an avid reader of Stoic philosophy, to the point I would say it's a central pillar of my life. I would strongly advocate anyone interested in Stoicism not read these recent texts first, or, if I'm honest, really at all. I get that they're trying to making it approachable, but I feel that in an attempt to modernize the message they really lose most of it. One of the beautiful things about Stoicism is that the ancient philosophers were very mindful of speaking plainly, and their texts are extremely approachable. Epictetus' Enchiridion is very easy to parse and is packed full of very practical knowledge. It is one hundred percent the place to start. Following that, read Seneca's letters to Lucilius, which are titled either Moral Letters to Lucilius or Letters from a Stoic. These are very straight forward teachings in very direct language.

Beyond that there's a whole canon of writing. The only extant writing from Stoic philosophers are from Epictetus and Seneca. There are fragments from Musonius Rufus, and a small handful from the very ancients like Chrysippus and Zeno. There are writings about Stoicism by Marcus Aurelius, a very famous follower but not a teacher himself, and by Cicero, though he also wrote against the philosophy in other places. Marcus Aurelius' writings are very approachable and often recommended.

There are a few modern academic writings I would suggest to someone who has read the ancient sources, specifically the papers by A.A. Long. If you absolutely must have a modern book about the school, I'll contradict my earlier statement and say that William B. Irvine's A Guide to the Good Life is one exception.

I love Stoicism and am happy to talk about it at length. Anyone who is interested can feel free to contact me about it, my email is in my profile.

Ad fontes!

Re: “Study Death Always”: Seneca’s advice for living centered on dying

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post #7

Aurelius said that all you have is the present moment so when you die the only thing you can lose is the present moment. That one really stuck with me.

That's interesting, because you can ask: what is the present moment? In physics there is no such thing as simultaneity. And different parts of your brain can communicate at most by the speed of light.

Re: “Study Death Always”: Seneca’s advice for living centered on dying

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post #50
post #7

Aurelius said that all you have is the present moment so when you die the only thing you can lose is the present moment. That one really stuck with me.

He was wrong. When you are alive you have not just "the present moment but also all your future moments to look forward to -- and you have thoughts about what to do in those moments. It's only for the last 'present moment' that what he said holds.

You look to future moments, in the present moment.

There is only the present moment.

This isn't a philosophical stance - it's actually a subtle point that isn't obvious until pointed out, everything you experience, you experience right now, and never any other time, always now.

Re: “Study Death Always”: Seneca’s advice for living centered on dying

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you suggest few readings?

The Bible edit: For those of you down voting me for whatever reason, can you at least contribute to the discussion and explain how my answer was a poor one? The bible is one of the greatest stories ever told containing a myriad of different ways at looking at life.

The Essays of Montaigne. While it is a massive time, he wrote in so much detail into his own thought process, we are given a peek into his mind. He also digests thousands of aphorisms, maxims, parables and quotes from the classics and the works from antiquity. I have heard people referring to it as a sort of a secular Bible. I recommend the translation by M A Screech.

Re: “Study Death Always”: Seneca’s advice for living centered on dying

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you suggest few readings?

The Bible edit: For those of you down voting me for whatever reason, can you at least contribute to the discussion and explain how my answer was a poor one? The bible is one of the greatest stories ever told containing a myriad of different ways at looking at life.

> The Bible

> edit: For those of you down voting me for whatever reason, can you at least contribute to the discussion and explain how my answer was a poor one?

> The bible is one of the greatest stories ever told containing a myriad of different ways at looking at life.

By itself, it wasn’t a very compelling comment. You made no effort to support your position. Given that the Christian bible is considered to be a religious text first and philosophy second (if at all), you should have made a case for why it was relevant in this context.

Re: “Study Death Always”: Seneca’s advice for living centered on dying

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I've been an avid reader of Stoicism, and was introduced to it by, you guessed it, Tim Ferriss. I have been conciously trying to adopt the philosophies and mantras into my day to day life. Have compiled the following tangible techniques/approaches to thought feel free to add your own: * Premeditatio Malorum (premeditation of evils or Negative Visualization) * Stoic Fork - Make the best use of things in your control a…

I'm genuinely curious - what is this mindset supposed to accomplish?

Tranquility

Re: “Study Death Always”: Seneca’s advice for living centered on dying

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was wrong. When you are alive you have not just "the present moment but also all your future moments to look forward to -- and you have thoughts about what to do in those moments. It's only for the last 'present moment' that what he said holds.

You look to future moments, in the present moment. There is only the present moment. This isn't a philosophical stance - it's actually a subtle point that isn't obvious until pointed out, everything you experience, you experience right now, and never any other time, always now.

Reminds me of the space balls movie.

Re: “Study Death Always”: Seneca’s advice for living centered on dying

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you don't lose the moment... you go into a new body. (Anticipating down votes for this, though)

Your comment reminds me of this Zen story: The Emperor asked Master Gudo, "What happens to a man of enlightenment after death?" "How should I know?" replied Gudo. "Because you are a master," answered the Emperor. "Yes sir," said Gudo, "but not a dead one."

Except there are people who remember their past lives.

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you don't lose the moment... you go into a new body. (Anticipating down votes for this, though)

You anticipated correctly yet you don't seem to realize why. Where can we possibly take this conversation now except into a religious flame war? If you had approached it from a philosophical perspective, we could actually have a fruitful (or at least interesting) exchange of words. As it stands you dove straight into belief territory, which obviously cannot be debated productively. (I don't mean to be a jerk but I do…

Yeah, that makes sense. But I don't understand what you mean about lack of self awareness? (Perhaps validating your point)
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