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Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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Salt water is buoyant. If you know how to float, it doesn’t take much energy.

Some people simply cannot float. Me included. I've had 3 different instructors try to tell and show me that everyone can float. I can't. I have 5 swimming certificates, I'm fit, but I think I just don't have enough body fat? Even in the Red Sea (if it's called that in English) I can't float. Not for more than 5 seconds.

My experience with people who don't float easily is that they're not expanding their lungs enough. When you train in diving, you realize just how much different your buoyancy is when you have a full breath compared to an exhale. On my first few dives, I realized that I didn't trust the equipment enough and kept my lungs full while only taking shallow breaths. Learning to dive with mostly empty lungs made it so much easier and allowed me to get rid of all but one weight on my belt.

When I started training in freediving (apnea), I learned how to take much fuller breaths. I can almost guarantee that if you haven't done that kind of training, strengthened your diaphragm and learned 3-zone breathing, you aren't taking in nearly as much air as you could.

Our bodies are mostly water and the amount of mass that we have that's denser than water isn't that much denser. But water is a lot denser than air and the more you can add air volume, the more buoyant you become. Learning to float is a matter of learning to maximize your volume. Some density numbers from the internet...

Salt water: 1.03g/ml Fresh water: 1g/ml Muscle: 1.06g/ml Bone: 1.1g/ml (approximate...couldn't find a good source for this) Fat: 0.9g/ml Air: 0.0023g/ml

The numbers seem to back up your instructors. As you can see, all these values are fairly close except for air, so adding more air to your volume can dramatically change your buoyancy. Wikipedia lists the average adult male lung capacity at 6L, so a 5L breath should be achievable for most. In salt water, that 5L breath will add more than 5kg of buoyancy, which is enough to float around 400 lbs of muscle or 176 lbs of bone. In fresh water, that same 5L breath will add a bit less, enough to cancel out 193 lbs of muscle or 121 lbs of bone. There's no way that I can know your body composition, but those numbers are very substantial. The more likely is that you're just not getting anywhere near 5L of air in your lungs.

If you're ever into you're trying it again, look up some stretches to open up the lungs. Then practice breathing shallowly with nearly-full lungs. If you're able to do that, you'll probably be able to float laying on your back, where your head is mostly submerged...remember, every part of your body above the surface counts against your buoyancy, for the same reason that air in the lungs matters so much.

Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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So, a guy with tons of experience goes for open water dive without a diving marker or diving alert device, decide to leave his dive-buddy and return to the beach by himself. Some other articles says he was a navy veteran. That would probably explain his overconfidence, as those are things that recreational and tec divers are explicitly trained not to do. Lots of diving accidents reports starts with someone being over…

> Lots of diving accidents reports starts with someone being overconfident (ignoring the recommended safety limits or his personal limits), ignoring safety-checks and/or losing his diving buddy.

I am not a diver but I have come close to losing my life three times in the backcountry. Each time I remember my overwhelming thought was "I have been an idiot". And, as you noted, each time: I was alone (or with my dog but no other human), and was overconfident both in gear and experience.

Interestingly in two of the three cases my dog saved my life. Though I knew full well that Lassie is not a documentary, it always felt like I had someone with me.

Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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Speaking of surviving in cold water, Gordon Giesbrecht (prof at Univ of Manitoba) has some scary videos of plunging through holes in the ice and hanging out for extended periods. He isn't advocating it but it shows you can survive for more than the 2-3 minutes I was taught, and used to teach my students.

Here's one of the videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gOW8ZaYqHA&list=PL0B7B52ACA...

Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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Swimming continuously. It's one thing to sit neutrally bouyant in a Scuba suit, or in a flotation device, with nothing but shivering to keep warm. Asleep, you can get hypothermia in water that is nearly at body temperature. However, endurance athletes (like this 2.5-day-swimmer apparently decided he was) can keep warm by exertion. Competitive swimmers will keep warm, and actually sweat a great deal, in a very cold po…

He wouldn’t/couldn’t have swam continuously for 72 hours. He would have floated, treaded water, etc. the wetsuit kept him warm.

Did anybody read the article?? One of the most important factors was staying in the fetal position- he even lost consciousness at times and was saved by a floatation device that kept his head above water.

Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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Due to water being a way better conductor of heat than air you lose heat up to 75% faster than in air. Even 30°C warm water can therefore quickly lead to hypothermia if unprotected. Ever seen scuba instructors in warm countries? While their customers would often submerge in nothing but a swimsuit the instructors would often wear 6mm full body wetsuits due to longer exposure. And yet a lot of them are shivering in the…

True, although below the surface the water tends to be colder.

Yes, it is a lot colder when scuba diving at say 10m, but we’re talking about treading water at the surface.

Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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Most big waves are only close to the beach when water breaks over the sand

After watching the talisker atlantic challenge for the last month I think you're wrong. Or is the pacific much quieter than the atlantic?

No.

Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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So, a guy with tons of experience goes for open water dive without a diving marker or diving alert device, decide to leave his dive-buddy and return to the beach by himself. Some other articles says he was a navy veteran. That would probably explain his overconfidence, as those are things that recreational and tec divers are explicitly trained not to do. Lots of diving accidents reports starts with someone being over…

> Lots of diving accidents reports starts with someone being overconfident (ignoring the recommended safety limits or his personal limits), ignoring safety-checks and/or losing his diving buddy. I am not a diver but I have come close to losing my life three times in the backcountry. Each time I remember my overwhelming thought was "I have been an idiot". And, as you noted, each time: I was alone (or with my dog but n…

Would you be interested in detailing the times in which the dog saved you? Sounds fascinating (and lucky)!

Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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How did he combat hypothermia?

The most important aspect of this is he was wearing a 5mil wetsuit. All of the rest of the things they mentioned are much smaller factors in him staying warm. The wetsuit also makes him slightly more buoyant. I kayak in the winter and have a dry suit, and a 5mil wetsuit when the water gets a bit warmer. In the winter my survival time would be minutes unprotected. The most dangerous time of year is May and June as unp…

> 95 degrees

this sounds dangerous. Just curious, why were you in 60deg water for two hours?

Re: Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean

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> Lots of diving accidents reports starts with someone being overconfident (ignoring the recommended safety limits or his personal limits), ignoring safety-checks and/or losing his diving buddy. I am not a diver but I have come close to losing my life three times in the backcountry. Each time I remember my overwhelming thought was "I have been an idiot". And, as you noted, each time: I was alone (or with my dog but n…

Would you be interested in detailing the times in which the dog saved you? Sounds fascinating (and lucky)!

+1 for getting more details =)
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