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Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by gambiting »

>>Beşikçi said it was due to a single line of code, which created a window "one pixel high, one pixel wide" — essentially invisible to the human eye — to Bylock.net. Hypothetically, people could be accused of accessing the site without having knowingly viewed it.

And that's why I'm absolutely terrified of the British government requiring that all ISPs store your browsing history for a year. You DON'T know what addresses the websites that you are visiting are linking to. You go on a cat forum where someone posted a picture - but unbeknownst to you, maybe the picture is actually hosted on isis.com and now you're on a watchlist by the government. It's bonkers, and while UK is not arresting people for downloading apps, they certainly build themselves capability to do so if they ever wanted to.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by rublev »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #31
integricho wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be an optimist, but I still have hopes that humanity might free itself with from the grunt work with full robotic automation and AI, and switch to a universal basic income model to provide for the needs of the people.

Mm. And you believe those on top will allow this to happen? You're raw material to them. Something they can consume. You're a chess piece. One reason I conceal my identity is because my father has some very strange political beliefs, and I'd be embarrassed to be associated with his writings. But as time wears on, the belief that war is the inevitable outcome keeps pressing at me, gnawing at me, like a scratch on the…

>What do you think will happen when the top captures so much wealth production that the rest of the world cannot self-suffice?

That won't happen. They gave us nice little condos and handled just enough necessities and bleed us just enough where nobody will uprise.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by t-away9912 »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #31
integricho wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be an optimist, but I still have hopes that humanity might free itself with from the grunt work with full robotic automation and AI, and switch to a universal basic income model to provide for the needs of the people.

Mm. And you believe those on top will allow this to happen? You're raw material to them. Something they can consume. You're a chess piece. One reason I conceal my identity is because my father has some very strange political beliefs, and I'd be embarrassed to be associated with his writings. But as time wears on, the belief that war is the inevitable outcome keeps pressing at me, gnawing at me, like a scratch on the…

caution against only blaming "those on top". Unfortunately, many of these policies are supported by the masses which is a lot more disheartening to me.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by torstenvl »

txsh wrote: post #11
integricho wrote: post #5

I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.

You’re probably writing this from a country that drops bombs on people without first knowing who they are or why they are there, just that they appear to be male and over a certain height in an area of terrorist activity. No courts. No oversight. No accountability. What Turkey is doing is terrible but mild in comparison to the drone war.

Very few such countries exist, and most people in them aren't native English-speakers.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by laurent123456 »

codewithcheese wrote: post #18
shultays wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says in the article She knew the arrest was coming. She'd already lost her job, because traces of the app known as Bylock were found on her phone.

Yes but whats the process? Were traces of the app found by her employer? Are employers searching employees phones?

> Were traces of the app found by her employer?

Probably that's just the journalist words as I don't think they found or even looked for "traces of the app" on the phone. Most likely the government got a log of the DNS lookups from the ISP and made their arrests based on this.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by integricho »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #31
integricho wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be an optimist, but I still have hopes that humanity might free itself with from the grunt work with full robotic automation and AI, and switch to a universal basic income model to provide for the needs of the people.

Mm. And you believe those on top will allow this to happen? You're raw material to them. Something they can consume. You're a chess piece. One reason I conceal my identity is because my father has some very strange political beliefs, and I'd be embarrassed to be associated with his writings. But as time wears on, the belief that war is the inevitable outcome keeps pressing at me, gnawing at me, like a scratch on the…

One possible path to achieving this is simply based on the current advances already being made even by the biggest players such as Amazon. They try to eliminate human workforce completely from their pipelines. But what do they get with achieving this? Poor, jobless people who cannot pay for sh*t, thus their market would simply collapse by achieving what they hoped would give them much higher profits.

A simple solution to this could be that the more a company is automated (and needs less human workforce), the more taxes they'd need to pay, and that same tax would be distributed to people as universal basic income. This circle could sustain a constant market for them, as well as enable people to pay for the stuff they need. Maybe.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by Y_Y »

Aaron1011 wrote: post #32
yorby wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that the American government had the worst ratio of free citizens/incarcerated citizens ...

A government can imprison people for horrible reasons, but still not have the worst radio.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksempf%C3%A4nger

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by yesenadam »

tobltobs wrote: post #21
txsh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re probably writing this from a country that drops bombs on people without first knowing who they are or why they are there, just that they appear to be male and over a certain height in an area of terrorist activity. No courts. No oversight. No accountability. What Turkey is doing is terrible but mild in comparison to the drone war.

And what do you want to tell us with your whataboutism?

Well, that's a glib remark if I've ever heard one.

"Whataboutism" - so that's.. said to people who tiresomely derail discussion of seriously wrongdoing with their pat diagnosis and dismiss the original topic as naive. Unfortunately you have done that same thing by using the word.

I get why it's useful to have a name for the phenomenon, but there's nothing commendable about the way you used it, it came across sounding like a jerk who thinks they're superior. And made me wonder about what you "want to tell us".

edit: Could the downvoters explain why? Thanks. I tried to say something substantive, I thought successfully. (joosters, I totally agree)

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