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Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Embrace it. Let's burn the world and rebuild. And replace it with our own unjust systems, ad infinitum. It's worth doing. The big will screw the small just because they can. But this always happens, everywhere. How does it feel being a slave to a paycheck and a career? It's such an ingrained concept that few people question why businesses are allowed to extract 10 hours of your life five days a week. That's time you…

I might be an optimist, but I still have hopes that humanity might free itself with from the grunt work with full robotic automation and AI, and switch to a universal basic income model to provide for the needs of the people.

Mm. And you believe those on top will allow this to happen?

You're raw material to them. Something they can consume. You're a chess piece.

One reason I conceal my identity is because my father has some very strange political beliefs, and I'd be embarrassed to be associated with his writings. But as time wears on, the belief that war is the inevitable outcome keeps pressing at me, gnawing at me, like a scratch on the roof of your mouth.

History shows that war is the natural state of things. For roughly a million years, we have been at war. The peace brought by nuclear weapons has been maintained, thankfully. But we see how fragile the world is; this state of affairs holds up until the next generation becomes unhinged, and no longer.

What do you think will happen when the top captures so much wealth production that the rest of the world cannot self-suffice?

Truly. Put yourself there, mentally. Get into the mindset of the greedy nature of those at the top. Those who wish to grow their portfolios and dominate the world. The ambitious.

Those who own the automation pipelines. Those who own the government.

What possible incentive do they have to give up their control? They own you.

And like the middle ages, we have no recourse. We'd lose this fight. And they know it.

Forever. The lever of technology has become so large and terrifying that no one can possibly win.

The only way is to subvert it. And as we approach 8 billion people, achieving any consensus becomes less and less likely.

How high shall we go? Ten billion? Twenty? A hundred?

How far are we from the limit?

These thoughts are uncomfortable. Better compartmentalize them and follow the crowd: don't think about it, pretend it's not true, focus on math and programming and what little you can change.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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FTFY: a shitty government is putting people in jail. Even if we ignore the horrible government and bullshit reasons why they're considering installing an encrypted chat app a "crime", they should at least use proper evidence for the convictions, like a dump of the phone's memory with the chat app installed on it, and not a simple DNS lookup/HTTP request to the chat app's domain.

I thought that the American government had the worst ratio of free citizens/incarcerated citizens ...

A government can imprison people for horrible reasons, but still not have the worst radio.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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I’m pretty sure that it was the Turkish government who put hundreds of thousands of innocent Turks in jail. Installing chat software shouldn’t be a crime.

> Installing chat software shouldn’t be a crime. I don't think you understand how repressive regimes work. And I bet that on HN you'll find a lot of support for jailing people who install a let's say Nazi chat app on their phone.

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Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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FTFY: a shitty government is putting people in jail. Even if we ignore the horrible government and bullshit reasons why they're considering installing an encrypted chat app a "crime", they should at least use proper evidence for the convictions, like a dump of the phone's memory with the chat app installed on it, and not a simple DNS lookup/HTTP request to the chat app's domain.

I thought that the American government had the worst ratio of free citizens/incarcerated citizens ...

No one mentioned ratio, this is about 'injustice/abuse of tech' not volume. For comparison, even with the BS behavior in OP, Turkey is about 285/100,000 incarceration rate. The US of A is at 666/110,000, over double.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Embrace it. Let's burn the world and rebuild. And replace it with our own unjust systems, ad infinitum. It's worth doing. The big will screw the small just because they can. But this always happens, everywhere. How does it feel being a slave to a paycheck and a career? It's such an ingrained concept that few people question why businesses are allowed to extract 10 hours of your life five days a week. That's time you…

I might be an optimist, but I still have hopes that humanity might free itself with from the grunt work with full robotic automation and AI, and switch to a universal basic income model to provide for the needs of the people.

The comment you are responding to is actually much more optimistic than yours, because it assumes that burning down the system will give rise to a better one.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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I thought that the American government had the worst ratio of free citizens/incarcerated citizens ...

A government can imprison people for horrible reasons, but still not have the worst radio.

I think it's a sign of horrible reasons. Dig into specifics and the US does unjustly keep people in prison on a regular basis.

We have huge issues from generations of politics over substance. It's only obvious that things are getting worse when you look at statistics because nobody has unbiased understanding of the entire system.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Embrace it. Let's burn the world and rebuild. And replace it with our own unjust systems, ad infinitum. It's worth doing. The big will screw the small just because they can. But this always happens, everywhere. How does it feel being a slave to a paycheck and a career? It's such an ingrained concept that few people question why businesses are allowed to extract 10 hours of your life five days a week. That's time you…

I might be an optimist, but I still have hopes that humanity might free itself with from the grunt work with full robotic automation and AI, and switch to a universal basic income model to provide for the needs of the people.

You forgot "blockchains" in your list. Everyone knows that blockchains are the future, and key to utopia. :)

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Embrace it. Let's burn the world and rebuild. And replace it with our own unjust systems, ad infinitum. It's worth doing. The big will screw the small just because they can. But this always happens, everywhere. How does it feel being a slave to a paycheck and a career? It's such an ingrained concept that few people question why businesses are allowed to extract 10 hours of your life five days a week. That's time you…

> How does it feel being a slave to a paycheck and a career? It feels pretty good to have ability to make decisions about your life and feel responsibility for them, actually - something that real slaves, term that you're horribly devaluate with this amount of ridiculous hyperbole, don't enjoy.

Ah, I was hoping someone would raise this point.

Someone was once interviewing pg, and asked him "Why did you start a company?" His answer was "to avoid poverty." He said it flippantly and almost without giving it much thought. People's feathers got ruffled at the notion that someone in his position could possibly have to worry about poverty.

But I think he meant poverty in a different sense: Your employer owns your brain. You are not allowed to say what you know (NDA). You're not allowed to compete, in many places. You have much less autonomy than you'd like to believe.

But take comfort in being able to choose which employer you serve. You're right, it's a choice. But you can't escape the system we all bought into.

Except, we didn't. No one asked you, and no one asked me. This was the system we were born into.

If you try to opt out, if you reject the notion that you must sacrifice your time in exchange for money, you will swiftly find all the reasons why you have much less freedom than you think.

"Poverty," in this case, refers to an impoverishment of time. Your employer owns 70% of your productive life. You're left with a meager ~30% of waking hours to devote to your own.

For all the talk of injustice, it seems incredible that more people won't speak out against this. This seems like the central injustice. We only get one life.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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FTFY: a shitty government is putting people in jail. Even if we ignore the horrible government and bullshit reasons why they're considering installing an encrypted chat app a "crime", they should at least use proper evidence for the convictions, like a dump of the phone's memory with the chat app installed on it, and not a simple DNS lookup/HTTP request to the chat app's domain.

It's getting worse by the day. They arrested people for wearing a t-shirt. They just arrested people for tweeting against the war (recent Turkish incursion to Syria).
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