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Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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> as long as they pay those workers at least the minimum wage Do US employeers not have to pay workers the minimum wage?

As others have said, employers have a much lower minimum wage for tipped workers in most states. However, perhaps unintuitively, workers still usually prefer tipped over non-tipped jobs because you can usually bring home more money through tips than through the minimum wage

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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post #20

"DOL has masked the fact that this rule would be a windfall to restaurant owners and other employers—out of the pockets of tipped workers—by making it sound as if this rule is about tip pooling." Sounds like this one must've been written by lobbyists? Assuming this article is accurate, why would this seem like a good rule to get rid of?

EPI gets a large chunk of funding from unionized labor, so it shouldn't be surprising if most of their findings are pro unionized labor.

The percentage of unionized workers in the restaurant business I would estimate at less than one percent - maybe if we count employees of schools/universities there would be an uptick. What you say may be true about other findings from EPI but it's probably more accurate to call this pro rank and file employee.

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/organized-labor-restaurant-in...

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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post #11

> as long as they pay those workers at least the minimum wage Do US employeers not have to pay workers the minimum wage?

Depends on the state. In California, they have to be paid at least minimum wage regardless.

By Federal Law they have to be paid minimum wage. However, any waiter who can't clear more than minimum wage is doing it wrong.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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post #14
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter point -- Tipping is a way to insure excellent service on return visits to service oriented establishments.

And the wait staff has so much control over restaurant cleanliness, food quality and temperature etc etc etc...

The tip goes to the wait staff. The bill goes to the chief/ingredients/building upkeep/owner. Tipping won't improve the entire experience, but it can improve the service.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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post #8

So how, as a customer, could I actively tip my wait staff and not the establishment? Will this lead to the abolishment of tipping in general?

God, I hope it does. Tipping is just a way for restaurant owners to exclude the cost of labor from their listed prices.

Been reading lately that, in America, it got popular right after the civil war, so restaurant owners still wouldn't have to, you know, pay wages.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

#38
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God, I hope it does. Tipping is just a way for restaurant owners to exclude the cost of labor from their listed prices.

Counter point -- Tipping is a way to insure excellent service on return visits to service oriented establishments.

As a counter counter point, there are places which don't take tips, and they offer some of the best customer service in the world.

Japan is a good example. In the food service industry, establishments will usually put their own service charge which they think is reasonable onto the bill (usually a small amount). They don't expect (many will refuse to take) further tips because they price the cost to serve into it.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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post #29

"DOL has masked the fact that this rule would be a windfall to restaurant owners and other employers—out of the pockets of tipped workers—by making it sound as if this rule is about tip pooling." Sounds like this one must've been written by lobbyists? Assuming this article is accurate, why would this seem like a good rule to get rid of?

Pure guess but probably to allow for proper taxing of tips. Cash tips are notoriously underreported. I’ve never met any who receives them who claims the full value as income. Most will claim some min to meet a “normal” amount for a work day and pocket the rest. A law like this would shift that to be income received by the management which presumably they’d have to properly account for. Even if they give it all back i…

So you like to facilitate tax evasion? So that tax that's not being paid gets paid by some other schmuck -- like the cooks or the busboys that don't generally work from tips?

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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post #16

And men would lose $1.2B. Why the gendered title? Why not "Waiters would lose $5.8B in earned tips"?

To highlight who the biggest losers are -- the subset of workers that already face wage discrimination would face 80% of the tip loss.

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