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Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Re: Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Post by EGreg »

problems wrote: post #9
EGreg wrote: post #4

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Perhaps because Facebook provides an easy and fairly reliable way to determine someone's sex. Many projects including dating sites have relied on it to do authentication for this reason.

I fail to see how it'd be good for this use - do they require a number of friends or something? I have 4 Facebook accounts for faking out exactly this kind of stuff, but none with any real information.

Presumably most people are not like you and have only one account. The site can make sure you have had an account for at least a year and your sex is female. Otherwise you may want to fake it to get in.

It's the most reliable "easy" way I know to determine this info. I remember an app called Lulu which did the same.

Re: Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Post by metaphoracle »

rev_bird wrote: post #73
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #45

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> This assumption completely disregards the measurable advantage men have in the tech community. There is obviously an imbalance in the industry, but can you please provide proof that this is due to an advantage that men have? > If you have identical programs, one for a historically disenfranchised group, and one for the group that's been in power for decades, only one of those programs is shitty. Why would fighting…

>Why would fighting racism with racism or sexism with sexism be a productive method of correcting imbalances? Wouldn't that just fuel and maintain the disdain between groups? Is this the "all lives matter!" response to this project? It's not a crime to point out that some groups are poorly represented in an industry. Are you saying the solution to "hey, women feel isolated in the tech industry" is to say "Well, let's…

> If women felt like their discussions were being treated fairly in public forums, they'd have stayed in them.

This so much. Most men in tech can have a majority male discussion in any open community, due to their numbers. The amount of disparity from men towards leap in this thread is a prime example of why we women in tech seek to have discussions in more closed environments.

Re: Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

rev_bird wrote: post #73
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This assumption completely disregards the measurable advantage men have in the tech community. There is obviously an imbalance in the industry, but can you please provide proof that this is due to an advantage that men have? > If you have identical programs, one for a historically disenfranchised group, and one for the group that's been in power for decades, only one of those programs is shitty. Why would fighting…

>Why would fighting racism with racism or sexism with sexism be a productive method of correcting imbalances? Wouldn't that just fuel and maintain the disdain between groups? Is this the "all lives matter!" response to this project? It's not a crime to point out that some groups are poorly represented in an industry. Are you saying the solution to "hey, women feel isolated in the tech industry" is to say "Well, let's…

> Are you saying the solution to "hey, women feel isolated in the tech industry" is to say "Well, let's figure out how to include men too"?

No, my solution to a sense of isolation is instead to find ways for women to no longer feel isolated within their field.

A great example with the other sex would be male nurses. Male nurses are definitely the minority in their field, yet they manage to not feel isolated overall. Even if they did, creating a male-nurse-only group wouldn't do a thing to correct the isolation-causing systems in their place of employment, and would only work to further separate male nurses from the majority by isolating them from the wider nursing community.

If women feel isolated, we should try to find out why and correct that instead of just sticking them with other isolated women.

Re: Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Post by rev_bird »

mychael wrote: post #86

Can someone help me understand how this site is not sexist and discriminatory against men?

You know how right now you're offended, and feeling left out just because of your gender? That's how some women in tech feel all the time.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16160940

Re: Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Post by msla »

rev_bird wrote: post #57
glorkk wrote: post #43

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A group does not “want” anything. Innovation comes from exchange of ideas between individuals, not from arbitrary groups living behind walled gardens.

>A group does not "want" anything. I disagree. A group of women is saying they feel marginalized and want to develop a community of support. Men, particularly ones in this awful comment section are saying "NO FAIR!!!" Those seem like groups, and they clearly want things.

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Re: Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Post by iovrthoughtthis »

woahdudebro wrote: post #81
iovrthoughtthis wrote: post #77

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Thanks for the straw man. You can send it back to field though. Women != white natonalists The key here is in the accepted definition of "women" vs "white nationalists".

I seek to understand the objective standard that allows one type of discrimination while condemning another, perhaps you can provide clarity there? I don't understand the down votes here, I am merely asking for an explanation of the logic used. I'm autistic so I sometimes have trouble understanding things that are obvious to people who are not. Without more data I will have to assume this is exclusively a emotional j…

I'm not sure what you're looking for exists.

There's no objective standard, everything is contextual.

Re: Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Post by scarmig »

cbcowans wrote: post #2

Hi! I'm the creator of Leap. Glad to answer questions here.

Hi Cadran! I'm a male identified person, and I think Leap's a great idea. A couple questions:

1) If someone put you on the spot and asked you to pigeonhole Leap, would you say it's intended to be a Hacker News for women?

2) Has there been any discussion of a observer/lurker status for men?

3) Do participants primarily shift their time spent on other (open?) tech/social forums towards Leap, or do they increase their total amount of time spent on forums to make space for it?

Re: Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Post by turinapple »

fruzz wrote: post #80
turinapple wrote: post #54

I'm a woman that's worked in tech since 2011... at times the discrimination and treatment I've faced has made me want to quit the industry all together. But every time I reached that point I thought - no, I'm not the one who should have to leave, it's the people -- usually men -- who have not shown empathy, kindness or compassion. The ones who have bullied me and harassed me and made inappropriate comments or advance…

I really wish your experience was unique. A colleague was groped. She didn't report it. It would have likely diminished her future prospects. A friend was asked out on dates, unsolicited, multiple times by coworkers. She just had to laugh it off. Women at a previous employment reported not being taken as seriously as men in meetings, and being passed over for promotions in favour of less qualified men. A friend repor…

Thanks for sharing. Everytime I've tried to challenge others' behavior towards me, I've ended up the villain...

Re: Leap: An Online Community for Women

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Post by rev_bird »

msla wrote: post #95
rev_bird wrote: post #57

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>A group does not "want" anything. I disagree. A group of women is saying they feel marginalized and want to develop a community of support. Men, particularly ones in this awful comment section are saying "NO FAIR!!!" Those seem like groups, and they clearly want things.

How convenient that pointing out discrimination ends up getting painted as bigotry. Do you think colleges having black student unions is "bigotry" too?
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