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Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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post #86

I've read that it was a human error when someone pushed the wrong button. I feel bad for that person.

I'm sure the UI looked like this: [clear] [send and cause panic in 1.4 million people]

Or maybe the Apple way?

[Send and cause panic] [Details]

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

#112

If I were going to erode public trust in emergency broadcast systems in order to increase the amount of damage I would do by launching an actual missile, this is how I would do it. A series of false alarms. A similar, if obviously much smaller and less disastrous example, happens at my apartment about 4 times a week: the fire alarms for entire floors of my apartment building are easily triggered by people smoking in…

These systems are being revisited for the first time in a generation. Honest mistake is far more likely.

Looking at the screenshot of the alert [0], it appears to be using the alert system adopted in 2006 in response to the Warning, Alert, and Response Network (WARN) Act[1]. How is this system for a missile attack different, and in what way is it being revisited for the first time in a generation? Text messages are just now 1 generation old (SMS first implemented 1992[2]; generation is about 25.5 years[3].)And of course the alert system itself is only 11 years old.

[0]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/01/14/us/14xp-hawaii-su...

[1]https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/5785...

[2]http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-12-03/after-25-years...

[3]https://isogg.org/wiki/How_long_is_a_generation%3F_Science_p...

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

#113
post #49

I’m in Hawaii and received it this morning. First thought: there is probably no shelter close by anyway, and if they would send a missile they would probably target Honolulu (I’m in Kauai).

The lack of sirens going off in Honolulu this morning tipped me off that it wasn't a real alert, but it took way too long (officially) to find out it was a mistake. Twitter was the first line of defense in getting information (within 10 minutes of the alert): https://twitter.com/wfh1901/status/952242062304227328

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

#114

So it took 38 minutes to send out a new message informing this was a false alert. How is that possible if this was simply a human error during a "shift change"? You'd think the people who "pressed the wrong button" would be able to press the same button again?

> You'd think the people who "pressed the wrong button" would be able to press the same button again? Absolutely not. Once you say “fire” you need official confirmation to say “no fire”. That means certification from the military. The official needed being in a meeting or tending to something of greater importance could easily introduce delays. In any case, I presume the system’s designers didn’t build in an “oops, f…

> The official needed being in a meeting or tending to something of greater importance

I'm struggling to think what meeting or item would have an importance higher than "incoming ballistic nuclear missiles".

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

#115
Human error or crying wolf aside, it's an interesting exercise from which residents can learn what is truly lacking in the case of such an emergency.

Hopefully instead of seeking to cast blame or personnel firings, etc., folks will learn what it is they lack in emergency response.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

#116

Ok, I hope that the people who got scared shitless by this emergency start doing something against nuclear weapons. It's ludicrous: We can all die any day and ICAN, the people who helped to pass the ban on nuclear weapons and got Nobel prize for it are raising money at a rate of $50 a day.

What do you want to do about it? Go to war with North Korea?

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

#117
Just watched an interview on CNN with the Governor of Hawaii and their director of emergency management. Pretty impressed that the director didn't throw anybody under the bus. He basically said "An employee pushed the wrong button. It's my responsibility, so this is my fault. We're going to make procedure and technical changes to make sure this doesn't happen again."

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

#118

An interesting Reddit comment described a chaotic traffic situation for 20 minutes (people running lights, wrong-side-of-the-road driving, extreme speed, etc.). Human nature in these moments is very “Tragedy of the Commons” apparently.

Link?

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These systems are being revisited for the first time in a generation. Honest mistake is far more likely.

Looking at the screenshot of the alert [0], it appears to be using the alert system adopted in 2006 in response to the Warning, Alert, and Response Network (WARN) Act[1]. How is this system for a missile attack different, and in what way is it being revisited for the first time in a generation? Text messages are just now 1 generation old (SMS first implemented 1992[2]; generation is about 25.5 years[3].)And of course…

Well they tested the nuclear/missle attack warning sirens in Hawain cities for the first time in a very long time last month. Just because the sirens were installed during the cold war doesnt make the new attention and urgency being given to them is any less new. Same with the underlying infrastructure behind cell phone alerts being old while the systems on top are being newly revised and tested.

Clearly there is a whole bunch of new attention being paid towards this.

And rightfully so given the provocations from NK and the general decline in maintenance/quality of the US nuclear and ICBM weapon systems.

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