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Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by stcredzero »

gowld wrote: post #231
stcredzero wrote: post #88

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My parents wouldn't let me go _anywhere_ by myself until I was at least 17. My father used to range all around Seoul as a grade school aged kid. I used to wander 2 miles out in the woods with my friends and my sister at that age in the middle of winter. A coworker of mine used to range even farther at that age. We had lots of time practicing looking after ourselves and being independent. I remember facilitating a cla…

You met one kids who was well-behaved and respectful of the teacher, and shy, that's deeply wrong" ? And you contrast that against Asian kids being wild and healthy? http://www.socialstudies.org/sites/default/files/publication... "Appropriate behavior includes learning how to be reserved, cooperative, and supportive of the group."

You met one kids who was well-behaved and respectful of the teacher, and shy, that's deeply wrong"?

Not at all. My comment is not about being respectful. My comment is about how that kid had no curiosity and initiative. In fact, that kid was commanded to figure out his interface. Nothing. He would do nothing without adult instruction.

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Post by stcredzero »

thousandautumns wrote: post #279
stcredzero wrote: post #88

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My parents wouldn't let me go _anywhere_ by myself until I was at least 17. My father used to range all around Seoul as a grade school aged kid. I used to wander 2 miles out in the woods with my friends and my sister at that age in the middle of winter. A coworker of mine used to range even farther at that age. We had lots of time practicing looking after ourselves and being independent. I remember facilitating a cla…

I don't understand what you think is wrong with the kid awaiting instruction. Sounds like a kid who has some sense of self-control, which is a positive and not a negative.

I don't understand what you think is wrong with the kid awaiting instruction.

In fact, the kid was instructed to figure out the interface on his own. Nothing.

Sounds like a kid who has some sense of self-control, which is a positive and not a negative.

There is having self control, then there is a total lack of independence and initiative.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

tvanantwerp wrote: post #276
deadmetheny wrote: post #219

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A pub is not a bar. The only real similarity is that a pub and a bar both serve alcohol. The atmosphere is completely different. I suspect this may not be abundantly clear to a lot of Americans, who seem to lack exposure to a true European style pub.

Unfortunately, American "pubs" are little different from our clubs or sports bars with unbearably loud music or twenty televisions playing every flavor of ESPN. Nearly every alcohol-serving establishment I've been to in my region (Washington DC) is pricey, deafening, and not conducive to any sort of socialization beyond drunkenly grinding against strangers. I hate it.

There are plenty of small, quiet beer and wine bars here in LA that seem similar to the UK “pub experience”. Are you sure there aren’t many like that in DC? I would be surprised.

Tip: Look for places that serve espresso and/or tea.

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Post by unabst »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #76
westmeal wrote: post #9

I know, I know this is anecdotal 'evidence'. I happen to be 21 which fits me right in this generation and the main reason this occurs is due to parenting. My parents wouldn't let me go _anywhere_ by myself until I was at least 17. By that time I was completely and utterly addicted to computing to just let go and 'hang out'. As a matter in fact most of my friends are online rather than 4 real friends in real life. It…

I’m reminded of the under-25-set reacting to the Stranger Things children just sort of running around unsupervised as “unrealistic.” Nope, that was how we rolled.

Ironically, kids now have GPS trackers and cell phones. You'd think it'd be easier to let them loose.

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Post by bastijn »

virgil_disgr4ce wrote: post #216
bastijn wrote: post #136

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Offtopic: are we now so gender neutral we even cannot address our own kid as he or she? Or did you do this on purpose to hide the gender of your kid as part of your privacy? No flame intended. Honest question. Never thought about the gender of my kids being a privacy thing. Ontopic: As a parent I (we) try not to restrain things like screen use. Instead we actively promote all other forms of spending time we prefer mo…

What's wrong with gender neutrality?

Nothing is wrong with gender neutrality. However, referring to one’s child in gender neutral form is not (that) common.

Gender neutrality is there to avoid distinguishing roles according to people's sex or gender, in order to avoid discrimination arising from the impression that there are social roles for which one gender is more suited than another [0]. That is hardly the case when referring to one’s own child. Hence my follow-up assumption in the same comment that it might be for privacy reasons.

The first statement in that comment on gender neutrality was led by the media taking the whole gender neutrality thing a bit too far nowadays. Some sources just follow the hype instead of looking at the argument for using it as stated above. That is my own opinion though and might be a deluded view on media articles i came across that went into the “did you just assume my gender” mode for stories where gender was totally irrelevant.

I do realize the first sentence of my comment was a phrased a bit provoking because of the whole media thing. Sorry if that offended you and provoked you into this question (comment). Hope this answer helps to show I was not here to fight gender neutrality as a whole.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutrality

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Post by woolvalley »

codekilla wrote: post #289
ikurei wrote: post #263

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This is probably one of the most important questions possible: How should I teach my kids? I was denied access to computers, and I don't think it did me any good. I'm 27, so a bit old for this topic, but my house was specially up to date bc of my dad's job. The internet was dangerous and diabolic in my mom's mind though, and my access to computers was extremely limited. This, I feel, made me want computers even more.…

Raising children with technology is certainly a challenge. I have 5 kids, oldest 8 years old, youngest 15 months, living in a condo in LA because...you know......f'ing real estate prices, single family homes with 1200 square feet are 1.3 million in our district. So how do you let kids be free if they can't even go outside really?...and multiple kids in a condo without some kind of T.V. or tablet is utter insanity. It…

Why did you decide to have 5 kids in that kind of environment?

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Post by whatshisface »

gowld wrote: post #225
sametmax wrote: post #132

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There is a (painful, annoying and unfair) way around this. Actively socialize a lot with people in your neighborhood. Including the old lady next door, local cops, teachers and shop owners. And once you know 50 persons around by name and they have your phone number, tell them one by one that you intend to let your child going out more and more out by him/herself to learn autonomy. Ask them to not worry, but to keep a…

You mean, integrating your children into society makes them safe when they spend time out in society?

His story sounds like it's more about integrating society with the idea of children.

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Post by itgoon »

kthejoker2 wrote: post #68

Nothing new under the sun ... ___________________________________________ Human contacts have been so highly valued in the past only because reading was not a common accomplishment and because books were scarce and difficult to reproduce. The world, you must remember, is only just becoming literate. As reading becomes more and more habitual and widespread, an ever-increasing number of people will discover that books…

> because reading was not a common accomplishment

This isn't true, not even in his lifetime. In 1870, the illiteracy rate among whites was 11%. It dropped even lower after that. 89% seems pretty "common" to me.

Blacks were much higher, but slavery had only just ended. That group hit 11% about 1947.

https://nces.ed.gov/NAAL/lit_history.asp

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Post by drb91 »

Guest9812398 wrote: post #51
dawhizkid wrote: post #22

I wonder why the "young adult nightlife experience" feels so stagnant. I like going to the occasional upscale cocktail bar, but in general spending Friday or Saturday night in a crowded bar or club is not my idea of a fun thing to do. What is the alternative for more introverted people? Stay home? I went to Copenhagen recently and on a Friday night came across a big coffee/beer+wine place with lots of tables/sofas th…

I think there are lots of options. 1. Board game venues. They're becoming more popular, and yes, they exist in the US. I would be surprised if there wasn't one in any major US city. 2. Escape rooms. I think there are at least 50 in my city. They're literally everywhere if I search on Google Maps. 3. Cafes. If you're looking for something low key, you should be able to find some cafes with some hot wine, snacks, and c…

I see you live in a city!

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Post by codekilla »

woolvalley wrote: post #296
codekilla wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Raising children with technology is certainly a challenge. I have 5 kids, oldest 8 years old, youngest 15 months, living in a condo in LA because...you know......f'ing real estate prices, single family homes with 1200 square feet are 1.3 million in our district. So how do you let kids be free if they can't even go outside really?...and multiple kids in a condo without some kind of T.V. or tablet is utter insanity. It…

Why did you decide to have 5 kids in that kind of environment?

Fair enough question I suppose. I am a millennial, and I think many of our generation, and especially the younger generation are afraid of having more than say two or three kids, if they plan on having kids. This is certainly reasonable given the economic challenges we face and most principal among those housing costs. Short answer: We are punks I guess, we didn't want to let any of those economic factors dictate what size family we could have. Our condo is 1400 square ft., and costs exactly half what a 1200 square ft. house costs. In general, people I think way overvalue the quintessential American home. Parks and malls are free and work great, and it's nice to get out of the house more often. We live 1.2 miles from the beach, another great resource made possible for us only because of the decision to live in a condo. For us it made sense and it works great. We wanted a bigger family and we just did it, no regrets.
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